Largest Protest Ever in Los Angeles : Gran Marcha 2006

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According to the LAPD, the protest today was the largest ever in LA’s history, with over half a million people in attendance. I had earlier guessed there were a full million, so I guess I was about half right. I wasn’t going to be in town today because I was supposed to go to Search and Rescue training in the mountains, but I had to help with a VoIP install in OC. I had heard about the rally via LATimes, so I did a little google research and found out it started at 10am on Olympic and Broadway which is just a few blocks away from my house. I got to the rally at right around 10:30 and I was worried that I was going to miss it.

As it turned out, the rally took around 6 hours to make it’s way through the city, covering about 26 blocks at one time! Never in my life had I been surrounded by so many people. The vibe was actually celebratory and peaceful with half a million proud immigrants and their supporters flooding the street to get there message out against the draconian HR4437 that would make it a felony to cross the border illegally.

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The peaceful actions of the extremely well organized protesters would make Martin Luther King Jr. a proud man if he was here to see it today. The vast majority of the protesters wore white to symbolize peace, but it also made the throngs of people stand out, their great numbers readily apparent. The marchers chanted the famous Ceasar Chavez slogan “Sí, Se Puede,” meaning Yes, It We Can Be Done and carried placards with slogans such as “Keep Our Families Together” and “We Are Not Criminals“. My favorite was this “You Bug So Much You Woke Up the Sleeping Giant” sign.

Thousands of American and Mexican flags waived together as the news helicopters made passes over the crowd. It was the greatest show of patriotism I have seen my whole life, and the whole event really moved me. I didn’t get a chance to walk all the way to the front of city hall, but J. Emilio Flores from Getty Images News got these amazing shots of the crowd. I took a few hundred pictures and here are about 60 of them. I also shot a few rolls of B&W film, but I’ll have to develop and scan that before you can see it.

Other folks in the LA blogosphere that attended and wrote about it were Eric Richardson, Don Garza, Jim Winstead and LAVoice. Joseph over at Martini Republic was bitching about how nobody from the LA blogosphere cared about the protest or wanted to be a part of it:

These websites all think they have something to say about Los Angeles, where HALF A MILLION people marched today. Yet no simpatico on-the-spot coverage anywhere to be found among LA’s major generalist blogs.

It’s disgraceful, the way Latinos, even with their ascendant numbers, operate at a frequency that Anglos can’t quite hear, even here in Los Angeles, even when they flood the streets in the way that Anglos never dare to.

I’m guessing most Anglo bloggers took the opportunity to shop at Home Depot today while the parking lots were clear.

Those are pretty harsh words about a group of people who are on your side (and avid readers of your site)!

Welcome Boingboingers

Update: I forgot to mention the were zero arrests and that the even organizers are saying there were over a million people in the march, which is what I had initially guessed. Also this news item made me laugh: 200 rally in support of stricter border control. And this made me feel sick [you’ll have to remove the “s” from the end of that domain if you want to see the article]. You can check out the protest photographs from about 7 different photogs on flickr here. In other news I should really proofread before posting!

108 thoughts on “Largest Protest Ever in Los Angeles : Gran Marcha 2006”

  1. Hugh, I would like to comment on two things you said:

    *** Mexicans, who do indeed have to “sneak in” aren’t “taking jobs” in the sense of snatching them, they’re being given jobs by Americans who want to give them to them ***

    An extreme minority of Americans — Agribusiness types, some business owners — are voluntarily hiring illegals — in fact their illegal status makes them cheaper.

    But the majority — the taxpayers — pay a hefty price. It really amounts to a subsidy of those businesses that hire illegals.

    What’s that price? Check it out:

    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm
    http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001110.html

    *** what gives a nation the right to exclude people from it? ***

    In a word, sovereignty:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

    Mike

  2. *** Modest reform? The law in question would make it a crime to knowingly assist, in any manner, anyone who is here illegally. This would include clergy who medical aid charities who offer clothing, food or healthcare. ***

    Well, you try one thing, and if that doesn’t work, you try the next thing. We tried controlling borders and a host of other measures, and still illegals break in by their millions.

    Making it a crime to help criminals isn’t a new idea. It’s one of the ways we effectively deter crime.

    Mike

  3. I’m really annoyed at the assumption that people who are against illegal immigration are against immigration, or worse yet, racist.

    I think that anyone who attempts to come to the country illegally should be sent back immediately, and not allowed to enter the country for any reason for a certain number of years. I also think that the number of legal immigrants allowed should be dramatically increased, so that Mexicans and other nationalities that do want to follow this country’s laws are able to build new lives here legally.

    Illegal immigration hurts everyone, including the illegal immigrants. They work in sub-standard conditions because they’re afraid of being found out and sent back to their home country. By allowing more legal immigrants and cracking down harder on illegal immigrants, everyone wins. Companies who prey on illegal immigrants for too-cheap labor in dangerous conditions will no longer be able to do so.

    Yes, this might result in the prices of certain things rising. But, if anyone is for illegal immigration because they want to continue to get things on the cheap, on the pain of illegal immigrants, then they’re worse than anyone who’s opposing illegal immigration.

  4. *** if anyone is for illegal immigration because they want to continue to get things on the cheap, on the pain of illegal immigrants, then they’re worse than anyone who’s opposing illegal immigration. ***

    Yeah, we won’t mention any names … ; )

  5. After saying *** Yeah, we won’t mention any names … ; ) *** I delivered the punchline, which didn’t survive because I put it in brackets, so here it goes again:

    Yeah, we won’t mention any names ** cough! BUSH! cough! ** … ; )

  6. “Making it a crime to help criminals isn’t a new idea. It’s one of the ways we effectively deter crime.”

    True, but if someone risks their life to come to this country to find work I don’t think this will be any sort of deterrent. Rather, you’ll wind up with an immigrant population that has no access to healthcare whatsoever, which will only exacerbate our health problems. Frankly, if someone wants to help illegal immigrants by innoculating them against tuberculosis, providing them with antibiotics, doing anything else to help prevent a public health crisis, I don’t think it should be a crime.

    Illegal immigration cannot be stopped or even effectively controlled. It’s been happening for over 150 years now. Unless we, as a country, reach a tipping point where we no longer have jobs that pay more and working and living conditions that are better than those from which immigrants come, there will be no end in sight.

    The answer lies in allowing people to freely emigrate to this country (provided they are not felons) to work, pay taxes and contribute to our society.

  7. I know I should be used to the amount of misinformation and basic lies out there about undocumented immigration. People believe that a lot of what is earned by undocumented immigrants is sent back to the nation of origin in the form of remittances. That’s false according to a Pew Hispanic Center Study. 90% of the $450 billion earned by Latin American born immigrants (documented or not) was spent IN the US.

    Also, it is a fact that Mexicans are the most numerous when it comes to numbers of undocumented immigrants, but we’re only 57% of the total picture.

    Canadians are the second largest by nationality, but who talks about building a wall along that border, or how Canadians are taking “our” jobs, and turning cities in the “third world cesspools”?

    I think the marches are a testament to how many people feel that HR 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act, will not fix the problem. Since the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act undocumented immigration has not decreased. What makes us think it will happen with the Sensebrenner bill?

    To whoever said that this nation will end up being bilingual, what’s wrong with that? The US has always been a nation where other languages have been just as dominant as English. Being bilingual has always seemed like a good thing to me, and not just for commerce reasons.

    Lastly, last time I checked Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc were all part of North and Central America. Hey, guess what? We’re Americans too!

    P.S. The first young man from Orange County who died in the Iraq war, José Angel Garibay was an undocumented immigrant who became a citizen posthumously.

  8. *** if someone risks their life to come to this country to find work I don’t think this will be any sort of deterrent. ***

    They’re risking their life to get a better job than they could get back home. But if there’s no job, there’s no incentive for them to risk their lives getting here.

    The question is whether business owners are willing to risk jail to hire illegals.

    Mike

  9. “I’m really annoyed at the assumption that people who are against illegal immigration are against immigration, or worse yet, racist.”

    Well…

    Nobody has bothered to address my insincere contention that St Patrick’s Day celebrations represent egregious anti-American sentiment, what with all the Irish flag-waving and imported (!) beer consumption.

    This, despite the fact that, 150 years ago, the Irish were ghettoized and reviled in the US, for exactly the same reasons that Mexican immigrants are reviled today — Too many of ’em! They aren’t assimilating! They’re unrepentant law-breakers! They’re (gasp) Catholics!

    How do you describe that mechanism? The R-word is heavy, yeah, but where else do you turn, when people aren’t willing to apply their own logic to their own great-grandparents, but freely apply it when there’s a cultural and racial divide?

    Maybe I just need to wait 150 years, when we’ll all be drinking too much tequila and wearing sombreros at the annual Cinco de Mayo parade, and nobody will think twice about it.

  10. *** Nobody has bothered to address my insincere contention that St Patrick’s Day celebrations represent egregious anti-American sentiment, what with all the Irish flag-waving and imported (!) beer consumption. ***

    I addressed it. I wrote:

    “This whole immigration issue is in part about whether illegal immigrants are coming to JOIN the American dream or coming to USE our economy to make a few bucks to send “home” to Mexico. In that context, waiving a Mexican flag is probably not helpful.”

  11. Hold on all,

    Reading these comments I was surprised to see:

    1. Non-Americans displaying some pretty ignorant anti-Americanism here.

    2. Everyone speaking about illegal immigration as if it were happening in an economic and historical vacuum.

    Let’s get some perspective shall we:

    1. Every first-world nation is experiencing the exact same problem. In the States it’s exasperated by the fact that they actually share a border with an impoverished third-world nation. But, it’s happening everywhere and there are the same sort of jingoistic and racist reactions in Canada, Australia, France, etc. So don’t get all high and mighty with the Yankees, kay?

    2. The reason that so many people want to enter these wealthy countries is because they cannot feed or shelter their families in their countries of origin. So, this becomes a human rights issue (Mr. Ryan) not because they have the right to enter another nation illegallly, but because they have the right to try as hard as they can to feed their families. If this is a problem, here’s the solution: help them to reform their own countries’ economies to make them a viable place to live and work.

    But how do we do that? Simple, we put pressure on our political and business leaders to stop fucking them over in every way possible. Honestly, I think that Canada and the States owe the people of Latin America a lot, because it has been our corporations, our political institutions (IMF, etc.), and our interventions that have decimated their economies and thwarted every attempt they’ve made at reform towards stable, social democratic, governments in the south. Our leaders brewed their economic disaster, and now we’re reaping the results. If you don’t like illegal immigration start by doing what you can to help them help themselves in their country of origin.

    Regards from the Dominion of Canada,

    Blake Richards

  12. “I addressed it.”

    I’m looking for some examination of our less-reasonable motives. :)

    Because, again, the very same questions you’re asking now were asked of the Irish in the 19th century, but aren’t asked of them today.

    Why did we ask them then?

    Why don’t we ask them anymore?

    Why do we, instead, ask these questions of Mexicans?

    Is there really a reasonable mechanism behind the questions? Or is something else going on that we’d rather not look at too closely, lest it compromise our sense of reasonableness?

  13. As long as Wealthy nations keep on abusing and exploiting underdeveloped nations… more and more poor immigrants will keep on flooding wealthy nations.
    We have to learn to share and aid the less fortunate. But it will never happen, because the motto is let’s go on being selfish and not share our wealth with poor citizens of other nations that contribute heavily to the GDP of USA and these poor Latin American citizens get nothing in return.

  14. Irland√©s, it’s because the majority of immigrants are non-white. Oops. I said it.

    Sorry, I feel like the kid in class who answers the questions not directed at her.

  15. “Nobody has bothered to address my insincere contention that St Patrick’s Day celebrations represent egregious anti-American sentiment, what with all the Irish flag-waving and imported (!) beer consumption.”

    First of all, the comment that I made (“I’m really annoyed at the assumption that people who are against illegal immigration are against immigration, or worse yet, racist.”) wasn’t in any way complaining about people waving the Mexican flag. If I start complaining about that, then you can start asking why I don’t have a problem with Irish flags. And I’m all for either Guinness or Corona consumption.

    I don’t have a problem with Mexican immigrants. I do have a problem with illegal Mexican immigrants. And with illegal Irish immigrants, too. I’m opposed to illegal immigration of all kinds, but really in favor of legal immigration, and think that the government should make it easier to immigrate here legally. I don’t care if people who immigrate here legally send half of their paycheck back to their country of origin.

  16. I think it’s worth pointing out, however, that Americans of Latin American descent tend to be even more against illegal immigration than Americans who are not of Latin American descent.

    Again, this isn’t about Mexicans or Latin Americans. It’s about the American people (regardless of where their ancestors came from) having something to say about immigration into our country.

    Mike

  17. I don’t get why even ONE Mexican flag is there in a rally to join the United States as a citizen. Either you want to be part of this country, or you don’t. This is not a cultural rally, it’s a political rally, and supposedly the point is to show patriotism. How does waving flags from another country do this? What idiots!

    And if you have traveled anywhere at any time, you must have noticed that in most other states, and especially back east, the labor that the uneducated, illegal, and untalented Mexicans do here is done happily by teens wanting money for college, or older folks trying to supplement their social security. Thank you, illegals, for making it even harder for the middle class and the whole Social Security system, by taking jobs away from Americans.

  18. “”90% of the $450 billion earned by Latin American born immigrants (documented or not) was spent IN the US.””

    Two points on that:

    1. “Latin American born immigrants” includes everybody — including people who came to the U.S. legally 90 years ago as babies. When it comes to illegal immigration, the number is far, far higher.

    2. And that’s OK. All this money helps sustain economies in countries of origin, which I suppose helps reduce illegal immigration here a bit.

    Mike

  19. We had a huge protest against this proposed law here in Chicago as well. Personally, I am sickened by the whole ordeal.

    I fully support LEGAL immigration. I am totally 100% against ILLEGAL immigration and I’m appalled that so many people equate this with racism. My great-grandparents emigrated here in the 30s from Norway because of economic and social constraints however, they did so LEGALLY. When they arrived here, they made every effort to learn English and adapt to the American “way of life”.

    There are plenty of people, like my great-grandparents, who wait, apply, and hope until they are legally accepted to enter this country and become US citizens. What happens to them? They don’t have a chance to march to show their support or disapproval of our laws. Many of them a persecuted for their beliefs, race, religion, etc.

    Now an illegal (from any nation) crosses our border, takes a job illegaly (thereby lowering employment for legal citizens, lowering the standard of working conditions), not paying any taxes (income, property, or otherwise), receiving taxpayer-paid medical services illegally (which they have no obligation to pay), etc. and somehow this is GOOD for our country??????

    I fully support Bill Frist’s bill. It is illegal to aid any other criminal in this country and crossing a border ILLEGALLY makes you a criminal. This is nothing to do with “race” or “class” but responsibility.

    As a citizen of any nation you enjoy certain rights and responsibilities. If you cannot live by those responsibilities, then you can have certain rights taken from you (this is why when you commit a crime they can take away your freedom). However, if you are living in this country illegally and you do not have any responsibilities, then you should not enjoy any of its rights.

  20. wow- we have another holiday- maybe the major can call it “dia de los illegals”

  21. I wonder if I went to Mexico, perhaps they would give me free lunch, free education for my kids, free medical care at the hospital, etc, etc.

    Me thinks not!

    These folks would be better off asking for Justice in their own country than asking the USA to foot the bill. What Gall?

    Of course, when Mexican Citizen Protest in Mexico, the Police and Army shoot them down in the streets.

    I guess that’s why some many Mexicans come here.

    Given that, these folks should be thankful for the hospitality they have been given, instead of screaming they want more.

    We have some responsibilty, since it is illegal to hire an illegal, every employer should be fined $50,000 for hiring an illegal, the government could stop this in one second if they wanted to.

    I have understand why these people are coming here from a shithole country like Mexico with a corrupt and evil government, I would too!

    The Presidents of Mexico steal everything, a bunch of theives.

  22. “Honestly, I think that Canada and the States owe the people of Latin America a lot, because it has been our corporations, our political institutions (IMF, etc.), and our interventions that have decimated their economies and thwarted every attempt they’ve made at reform towards stable, social democratic, governments in the south. Our leaders brewed their economic disaster, and now we’re reaping the results. If you don’t like illegal immigration start by doing what you can to help them help themselves in their country of origin.”

    Exactly! If the corporations and “multi-national” U.S.-based companies hadn’t begun exploiting people in third-world countries, the U.S. would have much less of a problem with illegal immigration.

    I’m definately AGAINST illegal immigration for the simple fact that it IS illegal, but it’s all a cycle.

    People can’t get better jobs in third-world countries because U.S. technically (not officially) owns them and exploits them. Exploiting them is probably not illegal because hey! power makes (most of) the rules in the world we live in; but it certainly is unethical and against human rights.

    I’d help you with some links to articles but if really are interested just do some easy searching for words or phrases like “maquilas” or “call centers” (just some examples) along with “latin america” and you’ll see what i’m talking about.

    We have to look beyond the places we live in to get the whole perspective.

  23. At first I was seriously troubled by the racist, bigoted and ignorant comments in this thread, but then I realized that the people posting them are afraid of immigrants and don’t actually understand what our country is about. The bottom line is that our immigration policy needs to be completely revised to allow the millions of undocumented workers coming to our country the ability to do so legally and easily. The workers who are here working without documentation need it, and sending them back to wherever they came from and fining their employers is a ridiculous idea. The more I think about the vitriol spewed above, the more I realize how powerful the march was and how big of an impact it had on people, including myself.

  24. Thank you for saying that, Eecue. Reading the comments earlier today made me feel completely deflated. ….i’d say more, but i’m not sure it’d make a difference.

  25. I’m all for the march. For people voicing their opinions in an organized, non-violent way.
    That said, I oppose the opposition to this bill. I am with Mike on this. Mexico is a country of great beauty that is unfortunatly known for it’s deep rooted corruption. It is also a well known fact their border to the south is highly protected and those caught crossing illegally are “deported” but not only that, there have been cases of torture, rape and even death at the hands of the Federales this aside from extorting bribes from the immigrants. This is why whenever the Mexican government makes statements against US attempts at more stringent enforcement of border security, my stomach just turns.
    I am an immigrant and I am no racist and illegal immigration is a crime and as such opens the door to criminals who abuse those who are blinded to the dangers of crossing the border illegally by their own hope. It’s not just the “coyote” that smuggles groups of hopeful migrants across the desert, keeps them at gun point, rapes and leaves people for dead; it’s not just those that pack people into containers to ship them overseas with barely enough water, if any at all, and buckets to urinate and deficate in…if only that were the end of it. Once in the promised land they are taken advantage of by unscrupulous employers that over-work, under-pay and provide unsafe work environments and no health disability or workman’s comp. previsions. This is where our tax dollars come in. It’s not their fault, it’s the system. Legalize immigration and you end that. More stringent laws punishing employers and a greater level of enforcement and those who follow the rules will benefit. Our system is fragile and if we keep milking it like this it will continue to break down and then we will not only be unable to help others but we will no longer be able to help “ourselves”.

  26. Ancient wrote:

    “We had a huge protest against this proposed law here in Chicago as well. Personally, I am sickened by the whole ordeal.”

    I was there.

    The central message I took home afterward was, “We live and work here, with our families, just like you live and work here, with your family.”

    It’s a powerful, American message. And also not a very complicated message, though maybe it was harder to grasp from a safe distance.

    If my home and family were threatened by the government, I’d want to do something about it too, regardless of the status of some *paperwork*, which is ultimately all we’re talking about here.

    Ancient then wrote:

    “It is illegal to aid any other criminal in this country and crossing a border ILLEGALLY makes you a criminal. This is nothing to do with “race” or “class” but responsibility.”

    I also owe a certain responsibility to my fellow humans.

    As such, I refuse to accept the concept that helping people meet fundamental human needs is a criminal act. HR4437 criminalizes the provision of the most basic social infrastructure — beds, food, language assistance — to undocumented residents of this country.

    I suppose, if your neighbors don’t have those needs, it’s easy to turn this all into a broad legal abstraction, on which you can sit comfortably and disregard humans as criminals and aliens at your leisure. Personally, it hits a little too close to home for me.

  27. —- “At first I was seriously troubled by the racist, bigoted and ignorant comments in this thread…” —-

    And then when things really fall apart, Eecue, when the city all around you becomes a hopeless, poor-man’s-land mess, will you pack up your things, quietly get in your car and drive away?

    Okay, maybe not.

    But, then again, I’m reminded of all the public-school teachers throughout the cities of America who vociferously support social goodness and public education, yet send their own kids to the private academy several miles away.

  28. If you really think that immigration is going to turn Los Angeles into a “hopeless, poor-man’s-land mess” then you obviously have no idea how our country or the great state of California works. Los Angeles has always been an ethnically and culturally diverse city and that is what gives her the power she has.

    I am done feeding the trolls.

  29. free education, free medical care…
    in USA ? never heard this one…
    …but I am Scandinavian, so…

  30. I was there. It was great!

    One thing that’s funny, that people didn’t seem to grasp, is that the people with the Mexican flags were often Americans. I saw one picture of a dude (whom I know) with a big Mexican flag, and I think he’s 3rd generation or something.

  31. ***Will I do the jobs that illegal immigrants do? No, but my teenage son would love to. But he can’t get a job.***

    That’s odd. I ate at a few fast food type places recently, and there were American teenagers working in these shops. This was on the eastside, East LA and Montebello. There are a lot of undocumented workers there.

    Also, people think the undocs are taking all the construction jobs, but, I saw some American remodeling guys fixing up an apartment building that, in all likelihood, was home to some undocs.

  32. IRLANDES: “I was there. The central message I took home afterward was, “We live and work here, with our families, just like you live and work here, with your family.”

    So basically, because you commited a criminal act but are now “already here”, you should simply be forgiven? This is what I was addressing with regards to citizenship and responsibility. So, IRLANDES, if all the myriad criminals in eevery city marched declaring they wanted amnesty for their crimes, would you support it? Would you support it simply because “they are here” already? I have a strong impression you (including 99% of law-abiding Americans) would not. Secretly crossing the border IS ILLEGAL and makes you a CRIMINAL. You have already shown that you cannot adhere to the laws of this country – why should you be allowed the rights of citizenship if you have already broken the responsibility?

    “It’s a powerful, American message. And also not a very complicated message, though maybe it was harder to grasp from a safe distance.

    If my home and family were threatened by the government, I’d want to do something about it too, regardless of the status of some *paperwork*, which is ultimately all we’re talking about here.”

    There are MILLIONS of people in other countries who apply for leadership EVERY YEAR LEGALLY who are MUCH more “persecuted” then Mexicans. I live in an area with a large African emigrant population, many of whom came here legally from Rwanda. These people were threatened EVERYDAY WITH PHYSICAL IMMEDIATE HARM, yet they waited and applied legally for US citizenship. They had to wait but someone (of any nationality) can cross our borders illegally and then claim and rally for citizenship? Huh?

    If this bill is passed then what incentive is there for immigrants to come here legally? None. This will simply cause more illegals to cross our borders.

    “As such, I refuse to accept the concept that helping people meet fundamental human needs is a criminal act. HR4437 criminalizes the provision of the most basic social infrastructure — beds, food, language assistance — to undocumented residents of this country.”

    Hmmm…did you know that hospitals/psychologists/etc. have to report any criminal act to the authorities? They can and will still treat a criminal (and they should) but they also have a larger social obligation (again – responsibility) to assist in upholding the laws of this country and other citizen’s welfare. How is this any different? Also, there are WAY too many illegals coming to this country, getting medical assistance, and not paying for it (again – responsibility) which makes all legal citizens foot the bill.

    Right or wrong, even as a US citizen, I am not entitiled to free health care. I do not have the right to free food. I do not have a right to free housing. Why should an illegal be any different? There are plenty of legal US citizens in this country who need, and deserve, these services already.

    If you feel the need to help your fellow human beings, then please donate the vast majority of your own income to illegal immigrants. I, for one, do not want my tax dollars to support criminals.

  33. Americans?

    do you know what “Americans” means?

    Mexicans are “Americans”

    are you people stupid……

    Argentinians, Brazilians, Cubans, Puerto Ricans are “Americans”.

  34. Solution to illegals is go after the employers. If they wouldn’t be hiring the illegals they wouldn’t be coming here. Also, Antonio our mayor needs to crack down citywide on all the illegal vendors who making tax free cash while hurting legal businesses. I think HR4437 is too strict however, something definitely needs to be done about control of illegals.

    THEY MEDIA DIDNT REPORT THE OR SHOW THE AMERICAN FLAG BEING BURNED ON 7th & BROADWAY. TALK ABOUT SPIN CONTROL. SHAME ON THEM

  35. —-> “Los Angeles has always been an ethnically and culturally diverse city and that is what gives her the power she has.” —-> “Los Angeles has always been an ethnically and culturally diverse city and that is what gives her the power she has.”

  36. EECUE: I see very few “racist bigot trolls” here (yes, there are some). Many posters are raising valid arguments against amnesty and you are simply shutting them down by playing the race card (which, in itself, is low).

    Again this is a major problem I see with illegal amnesty supporters, namely, that theie response to any logical criticism is “racism”. In fact, Bush also played the race card today in a speech. I don’t think this does anyone justice and it doesn’t help the discussion.

    Some topics need to be addressed by pro-amnesty supporters:

    1. How will this POSITIVELY affect the US workforce? (If the path to citizenship is merely employment, does this not negatively affect working standards?)

    2. How will this help to DECREASE the flow of (now illegal, soon legal) immigrants?

    3. How will the unemployment rate in the US DECREASE with MORE workers who are willing to work for LESS MONEY?

    4. How will US-taxpayer funded social services serve MORE PEOPLE who will earn LESS MONEY (and who will foot the bill)?

  37. There is no simple answer to this.

    At what point does illegal immigration from Mexico cease to be immigration and start to become invasion?

    I live in Freeport, LI and I have an army of illegal day laborers standing around the parking lot of my commuter railroad station waiting for trucks to come by to offer them work. Not exactly endearing to the community.

    Bush and American Corporate Rule WANT lots of cheap labor both here AND in Mexico. Cheap as possible. “It’s GOOD fer BID’ness.”

    But it’s the American taxpayer who foots the bill for the emergency room visits needed by these uninsured workers and their families.

    The Mexican people are being exploited mercilessly both in Mexico and in the US, and the American working citizen’s family is being squeezed in the process.

    The key is to help elevate living conditions IN Mexico, and this can ultimately only be done BY MEXICANS IN MEXICO, with the support of the American people. They need to general strike, etc. to get the right to establish organized labor / unions. They need to fight for the basic minimum pay and work conditions and workers rights the same way we got them here in the US, they need to fight for them and die for them.

    The only thing that will stem the tide of invasion of destitute Mexicans into the US is improvement of worker’s quality of life IN MEXICO.

    Americans should vote for candidates for political office that are not whores in the pockets of corporate slavedrivers like Nike who exploit workers in Mexican sweatshops. Americans who are against the flood of illegal Mexican immigration should elect representatives who are for pressuring Mexico to allow labor unions and the same kind of workers rights we enjoy here in the US.

    -I.L.

  38. I don’t understand the concerns about “disproportionate immigration.” What difference does it make if at any point in time the majority of immigrants come from one country or area like Europe or Mexico?

    And if ultimately our skin gets darker, and we gain a second language, I don’t understand why that’s inherently bad. Isn’t it just evolution of the melting pot?

  39. It’s not about skin coloration or languages, but about whether many people pouring in from Mexico are going to make their new homeland more like the places they’re abandoning or if they’re going to reverse generations of history (i.e., when was our southern neighbor truly well off, advanced and desirable?) and do something better.

  40. When NY had amnesty for ‘illegal aliens’ the people who signed up in droves were Irish…thats why I’m troubled by the Irish names trying to make something negative about the marches…Grow up Danny Boy, remember ‘the strangers came and tried to teach us their way…they scorned us just for being what we are’ remember that song well, and while your at it try also to remember the potatoe famine and how your relatives came here and faced ‘no Irish need apply’!!!!

  41. ^ Yea, but has a country like Ireland ever been as overtly Third World-like for decades and decades as a nation like Mexico has been, with its cardboard shantytowns and truly horrific rates of crime and corruption?

  42. well the reason we were all carrying mexican flags was because we are proud of being mexican wheather you poeple like it or not.all of us are proud to be from where we came from, i’m talking about mexicans salvi’s, latin blacks. we are willing to fight for our rights if we have to , because we didn’t come to this countrey to harm anyone or anything , we came for a better life and we will stay here and keep trying even if we have to fight to do so. the u.s.a. would not be what it is today without us latinos, wheather you want to admit it or not we make a big difference and the u.s. needs us. so we will stick with our pride of being latinos and we’ll keep protesting untill you stop considering those ridiculous laws. WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY! WE ARE PART OF THE SOLITION! AND WE ARE HERE TO STAY.

  43. *****WEEFS****

    DONT BE MAD JUST BECAUSE WE ARE HERE FIGHTING FOR “OUR” YES..”OUR” HOMELAND!!! IT’S FUNNY HOW ALL YOU UNCULTURED ‘AMERICAN’S WANT US OUT OF HERE SO BAD YET IF IT WASN’T BECAUSE OF US LATINOS AND OTHER CULTURES THIS COUNTRY WOULD NOT STAND AS STRONG AS IT DOES TODAY!! U GUYS ARE JUST GETTING MAD BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD CONTROL…NOW THAT YOU SEE US SLIPPING TRHOUGH THE CRACKS BECOMING PART OF THIS AMERICAN GOVERNMENT (EXP: VILLARAIGOSA) IT’S MAKING YOU THINK A LITTLE. WE’RE HUMAN WITH THE SAME COLOR BLOOD RUNNING THROUGH OUR VEINS…YOU’RE NOT ANY BETTER THAN US AT ALL!!! SO WHY DONT YOU DO SOME HOMEWORK AND STOP LEAVING STUPID UNETHICAL MESSAGES THAT ARE GOING TO GET YOU NOWHERE!! REMEBER THAT *WE* ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE WORD *UNITED* IN UNITED STATES!!!

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