Hatin’ on LA

Dave Winer Hates LA. He says:

I hate LA. Always have. Esp today. It’s a sucky trashy city, but unlike NY (also sucky and trashy) this place is flat and insincere. I’m sitting outside using some free Wifi, nice, after staying in a hotel with no heat, hookers operating all night out of the room next door, the shower didn’t work, reeked of cigarettes, and it’s in LA, which makes it all suck all the more. But now I have a Starbuck’s venti iced coffee, I’m in the heart of what they call tinsel-town, and it’s kind of pretty, even if one in every four people seem like they must be trolling around trying to get discovered.

While I don’t really give much of a crap what other people think of my city, I think Dave’s drinking the same Kool Aid that a lot of people are when they go to LA, end up in Hollywood and think that is LA. Guess what? It isn’t. It’s Hollywood. Very different. Very, very different. Doc has our back and comes right out with an “I love L.A.” and also links to some of the best bloggers in town, or anywhere for that matter (but by some mistake I ended up on that list too).

As for Dave, next time you come to southern California, try to avoid Hollywood but soak in LA, you’ll find it’s an entirely different world than what you think.

By the way, it’s called a “large.”

19 thoughts on “Hatin’ on LA”

  1. Oh yes, the guy with the most apropos last name of all time is hating on L.A. While sitting at a Starbucks, drinking their coffee. On purpose. And liking it. And then complaining about insincerity. And flatness, apparently. God, that dude would find a way to complain about how Heaven was too cloudy and too noisy with all the harp-playing. What a dork.

  2. Meanwhile, in the real los angeles…

    everyone I talk to is pretty. I always have something cool to do and something I’m mad I missed because I was elsewhere doing the other cool thing. The sun is still shining. KCRW plays on my stereo when I want it. I don’t have to wear a suit to go to work and I make real money. And we haven’t even talked about the beach, coffee bean, Pink’s, that needing a mental health day to go enjoy unexpected warm weather or an exceptionally beautiful counts as an excuse to miss work at a lot of places, and every movie, musician, and interesting creative person on the planet spends at least a little time here.

    Even if to decide they hate it.

    Yeah, LA sucks.

  3. you know that is the one thing I hate about LA and probably the only thing , the fact that there is something going on at the same time I am doing something else and miss that other event.

  4. sean, you know my feelings about the NY-helLA thing. but, if there are two people in addition to me in helLA that refuse to order anything but small, medium & large coffee it can’t be all bad!

    F***in venti punk ass sh*t

  5. Sean — they actually let you get away with using the word “large”? Everytime I asked for a medium, they quickly corrected me with “grande.” I am ashamed to admit that they have broken me, and I no longer even make the attempt of defying their stupid terminology.

  6. i say “i’ll have a large mocha”
    they say “you mean a venti mocha”
    i say “yes, a large mocha”

    they drop it and make the drink.

  7. I’m not as nice as Michael, my conversations sound more like this:

    i say “i’ll have a large latte”
    they say “you mean a venti latte”
    i say “no, a large latte”
    they say “… *scowl* what is your name sir?”
    i say “Larry”

    they drop it and go make my drink.

  8. For fun, sometimes I go to the Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf, order a Venti, and watch them have a fit. I’m a sick, sick person.

  9. I don’t care for “large” because it’s vague, and because it would have to have been redefined upward — just a few years ago the largest size was 16oz. The short/tall/grande/venti jargon has the advantage of precision and broad adoption across different coffee spots – except for venti.

    I’d rather have short back instead of venti, but I get disoriented in places that make you order by S/M/L or one-shot/two-shot systems – never totally sure how many shots and how many ounces I’ll get.

  10. Large is the largest size that particular venue has. “Large” isn’t this big abstract term. If they have three differing sizes, and you ask for the large, then they give you the biggest one. Simple. Easy. Non of this “venti” or “grande” crap – trying to create some eccentricity. Blah.

  11. How absolutely fitting that a post about people who hate Los Angeles devolves into a Starbucks discussion.

    Jesus you wannabe hipsters are sad.

  12. Dude! Can I be a hipster too?!!!

    it’s funny you think this “devolved” into a starbucks post, since it’s been part of the conversation since the very begining.

  13. Wow, Mark. That was so insightful. Your well-reasoned argument has changed my worldview forever. Likewise, it’s nice to see that you’re brave enough to post anonymously and use a fake e-mail address. I wish all of the commenters on bLA had your keen intellect and highly articulate manner.


  14. It’s spelled Whiner isn’t it?
    man, is he serious about this post?

    I thought his definition of moblogging was inane.
    He is really original isn’t he.

    Thanks for the L.A. support Doc, and thanks for pointing out this link Sean.

  15. I just moved to LA from San Francisco – and to my surprise I LOVE everything about it here. To put it in perspective, I LOVED a lot about the Bay Area… but not as much as I love LA – and I’m not a fake plastic person.

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