Glad it all worked out in the end…..even if it meant less party time in NY.

“– Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) require customers to be seated with their seat belts properly fastened during takeoff, landing and any time the “fasten seat belt” sign is lighted during flight. The regulations apply to several circumstances:

– When the aircraft leaves the gate and until it climbs after takeoff.

– Whenever the “fasten seat belt” sign is lighted.

– During landing, and until the aircraft reaches the gate and comes to a complete stop.

– During severe weather conditions, such as storms or strong headwinds.”

So, them’s the rules, and thus, based on what’s been reported here, I don’t see that the airline deviated from proper procedure. It would be pretty silly if the rules didn’t apply every time someone simply said “but I really really have to go.” As for Middle East, Arabic speaking, and diarrhea, that all sounds like unfounded speculation to me.

Now the larger can of worms related to my comment but not the bones of it. An argument certainly hashed out plenty. But fwiw, I’ll bite. So to your black man white neighborhood scenario… It depends, on many factors, the area for one. “predominately white areas” can mean very different things. The south/portland oregon/west hollywood/brentwood just to name a few. How is the person dressed? That factors in significantly. I’d argure that some dishelved white methhead would get quicker attention in many situations… there are plenty of variables you know. But me thinking “black men should tread lightly” is not what I’d say yes to, however if I were a black man and I was in an area that felt hostile to me, black or white or asian or whatever I would tread in the safest way I deemed fit. With the authorities however though, we are talking profiling.

I think everybody profiles, if someone just stole your wallet off your porch and you ran down the street, would you shake down the mom walking with her daughter? We profile eachother all the time, we make snap judgements based on attire/composure/voice/etc. it’s no wonder the PDs across the land had to institute guidelines to keep it in check, it’s human nature.

So David, I guess for me it boils down to this. Is there still profiling that is wack. Yes. But do I think it’s not what it used to be? Absolutely. Lastly, as you can tell, I am hesitant to quickly draw that card when considering the motive of another person.

His actions directly affected me and many other people. When we headed back to the gate I assumed it was because he made the takeoff abort. I was told that “the pilot doesn’t stand for this kind of behavior.

The main factor in the security escalation was that the small door under the sink was open after he left the toilet. The flight attendants said that it doesn’t open easily and he must have touched it. They also mentioned that he caused trouble at the gate.

It wasn’t till after he was off the plane that anyone mentioned speaking Arabic. I think it added to the freakout, but the cause of the security investigations was his actions, not anything else.

I will say that everyone was very nice on the security side. From the airlines, TSA, LAPD, FBI, etc., all of them were courteous, calming to the freaked passengers, and open about what was going on. They said it was likely nothing, but better ‘safe than sorry’.

I did miss my 4 hours of free time in NY though. :(

And if that is what you believe, do you also think black men should tread lightly in predominately white areas and should expect it when they get pulled over and given suspicious looks?

That said, I hear you Nancy. Although, in fairness to the flight attendant, had he just used the lavatory and sat back down, it does not sound as though it would have caused the turn around. Instead he was in there a minute and came out left the door ajar and a panel had been torn back inside there. So the flight attendant was alarmed and notified the pilot. So while the arabic perhaps played a factor, I think it’s the specific behavior of this dude. In addition, flight attendants deal with middle eastern people on a regular occasion with nary an issue. I see it firsthand in travel all the time.

As for the other 110 passengers delayed 4+ hours who were on the flight, they are the ones that have my empathy.

Seems more likely this all happened because the guy spoke Arabic, and fit their profile in other ways.