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	<title>Comments on: Saber&#8217;s World Famous LA River piece buffed</title>
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	<description>Lizard people dude. Seriously.</description>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/comment-page-1/#comment-13946</link>
		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is painting over this piece not a waste of money?

By painting over one of the few graffiti pieces that actually kinda matters, they are just wasting tax dollars. Some kids are gonna go out there and paint on the white spot so it will have to get buffed again AKA more tax money. Atleast clean up something that matters like trash.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is painting over this piece not a waste of money?</p>
<p>By painting over one of the few graffiti pieces that actually kinda matters, they are just wasting tax dollars. Some kids are gonna go out there and paint on the white spot so it will have to get buffed again AKA more tax money. Atleast clean up something that matters like trash.</p>
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		<title>By: slowboat</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/comment-page-1/#comment-13945</link>
		<dc:creator>slowboat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who cares where it was.. that shit was ugggly. Im so tired of hearing graf artists cry about their shit getting painted over. If you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t paint on other peoples shit. And fuck all the hipster trash talking down on the city workers for doing their job. Grafitti is narcissistic bullshit. Stop stroking it&#039;s dick.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who cares where it was.. that shit was ugggly. Im so tired of hearing graf artists cry about their shit getting painted over. If you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t paint on other peoples shit. And fuck all the hipster trash talking down on the city workers for doing their job. Grafitti is narcissistic bullshit. Stop stroking it&#8217;s dick.</p>
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		<title>By: er5er</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/comment-page-1/#comment-13944</link>
		<dc:creator>er5er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you have to be caught in the act to be prosecuted for doing a piece in the la river bed? How is meeting of styles getting permitted? The dudes from MTA got jailed for doing the same thing in the same place. Talk about double standards. This piece got world wide notoriety. And, certain members in the community decided to show the world that even the la river is not prone to being buffed. So, don&#039;t waste your time and try to outdo what has already been done. I think their reasoning was to squash the allure and glamour of being allowed to do huge layups in the river. Bottom line, any activity in the river potentially pollutes the water. And hopfully, detours people from getting hurt, killed, or arrested.  I love grafitti. However, it still just a name posted up on a wall. It done for fame. Mission accomplished.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you have to be caught in the act to be prosecuted for doing a piece in the la river bed? How is meeting of styles getting permitted? The dudes from MTA got jailed for doing the same thing in the same place. Talk about double standards. This piece got world wide notoriety. And, certain members in the community decided to show the world that even the la river is not prone to being buffed. So, don&#8217;t waste your time and try to outdo what has already been done. I think their reasoning was to squash the allure and glamour of being allowed to do huge layups in the river. Bottom line, any activity in the river potentially pollutes the water. And hopfully, detours people from getting hurt, killed, or arrested.  I love grafitti. However, it still just a name posted up on a wall. It done for fame. Mission accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: marshall</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/comment-page-1/#comment-13943</link>
		<dc:creator>marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole argument is packed with weak claims and straw men (on all sides).  I am certainly not buying any argument that Saber&#039;s piece was somehow generating either tourist dollars or tax revenues (give me some numbers, or even a plausible anecdote).  It&#039;s graffiti, it&#039;s gonna get buffed sooner or later - it&#039;s not for the ages.

IMHO, at this point, 90% of non-gang related graffiti is just state subsidized (it&#039;s my tax dollars that are paying for the cleanup that you&#039;ve necessitated) advertising for graphic designers looking to launch their ego driven brand so they can sell T-shirts, vinyl toys and prints later.  The minute I sat down to dinner with a well known LA poster artist and his girlfriend presented me with a copy of his business plan, my sympathy went out the window.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole argument is packed with weak claims and straw men (on all sides).  I am certainly not buying any argument that Saber&#8217;s piece was somehow generating either tourist dollars or tax revenues (give me some numbers, or even a plausible anecdote).  It&#8217;s graffiti, it&#8217;s gonna get buffed sooner or later &#8211; it&#8217;s not for the ages.</p>
<p>IMHO, at this point, 90% of non-gang related graffiti is just state subsidized (it&#8217;s my tax dollars that are paying for the cleanup that you&#8217;ve necessitated) advertising for graphic designers looking to launch their ego driven brand so they can sell T-shirts, vinyl toys and prints later.  The minute I sat down to dinner with a well known LA poster artist and his girlfriend presented me with a copy of his business plan, my sympathy went out the window.</p>
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		<title>By: meg seven</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/comment-page-1/#comment-13942</link>
		<dc:creator>meg seven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: If people don&#039;t like Graffiti, what do they like????

Answer: http://www.aloveletterforyou.com/?p=97

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: If people don&#8217;t like Graffiti, what do they like????</p>
<p>Answer: <a href="http://www.aloveletterforyou.com/?p=97" rel="nofollow">http://www.aloveletterforyou.com/?p=97</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/comment-page-1/#comment-13941</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also no offense to anyones opinion but Sabers work as a whole is terribly awful.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also no offense to anyones opinion but Sabers work as a whole is terribly awful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/comment-page-1/#comment-13940</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One mans shit hole is anothers paradise and vice versa.

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		<title>By: jah</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/comment-page-1/#comment-13939</link>
		<dc:creator>jah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting they chose to buff this piece and not MTA... who&#039;s gonna pay for the eventual MTA buff?  And clearly it&#039;s a waste of money.  Because it&#039;s just gonna get hit again and again and again... kids are gonna go out and paint on saber&#039;s buff lol

yes there are neighborhoods there but not really close enough to be affected by this paint on concrete. i&#039;d be more offended by the industrial smoke and toxins all the companies spew into your neighborhood than a river piece.  you are offended by a painting? and not by businesses polluting your area?  people trashing your area? because remember the numbers: We spend WAY more money cleaning up litter than graffiti. and that&#039;s a fact.  look it up.

be more concerned about actual city neglect and the crimes committed by companies the hazardous living conditions for the homeless the LITTER i mean the place is straight up filthy.

You ever see the other side the piece? a big wall crushed with bombs and toys people living in shanties trash all over the place.

if OBAMA&#039;s money (that&#039;s right kids, stimulus.) being used to buff saber is the answer to the economy, i&#039;d beg to differ. the Corps should have asked for money to CLEAN UP THE TRASH.  not PAINT.  wouldnt that money go further in the long run? cleaning up all the litter? not sand blasting the hell out of it and ignoring the trash on the ground.  your quality of life didnt go up or down, it just stayed the same.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting they chose to buff this piece and not MTA&#8230; who&#8217;s gonna pay for the eventual MTA buff?  And clearly it&#8217;s a waste of money.  Because it&#8217;s just gonna get hit again and again and again&#8230; kids are gonna go out and paint on saber&#8217;s buff lol</p>
<p>yes there are neighborhoods there but not really close enough to be affected by this paint on concrete. i&#8217;d be more offended by the industrial smoke and toxins all the companies spew into your neighborhood than a river piece.  you are offended by a painting? and not by businesses polluting your area?  people trashing your area? because remember the numbers: We spend WAY more money cleaning up litter than graffiti. and that&#8217;s a fact.  look it up.</p>
<p>be more concerned about actual city neglect and the crimes committed by companies the hazardous living conditions for the homeless the LITTER i mean the place is straight up filthy.</p>
<p>You ever see the other side the piece? a big wall crushed with bombs and toys people living in shanties trash all over the place.</p>
<p>if OBAMA&#8217;s money (that&#8217;s right kids, stimulus.) being used to buff saber is the answer to the economy, i&#8217;d beg to differ. the Corps should have asked for money to CLEAN UP THE TRASH.  not PAINT.  wouldnt that money go further in the long run? cleaning up all the litter? not sand blasting the hell out of it and ignoring the trash on the ground.  your quality of life didnt go up or down, it just stayed the same.</p>
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		<title>By: meg seven</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/09/04/sabers-world-famous/comment-page-1/#comment-13938</link>
		<dc:creator>meg seven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LA MAPNERD:  I respect your right to have no position, I&#039;m sorry if you got the impression I felt otherwise, and thank you for the facts. Although I am still curious what your answer to my question would be, I won&#039;t push you on it.

So it would appear that we have the federal government to thank for the damage to LA tourism.

I remember when I was growing up, I was proud that we were known as the mural capital of the country. Back then we still had art classes and clubs in public school, we were taught to respect and appreciate art in all it&#039;s many forms of expression, we had a chance to create and be expressive ourselves. We also had a city that was willing to except everyone&#039;s free speech through visual expressions, not just corporations with large bank accounts and the sole purpose of advertising.

Not to mention, with the economy at it&#039;s present state, we need to look outside the box on ways to bring money to our city. Whether Los Angeles realizes it or not, they missed the boat on this one. All I can do is hope with the attention painting over that piece has brought, they take advantage of the opportunity and start involving a broader range of local artists in the &quot;fixing up&quot; of this city with our federal money.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LA MAPNERD:  I respect your right to have no position, I&#8217;m sorry if you got the impression I felt otherwise, and thank you for the facts. Although I am still curious what your answer to my question would be, I won&#8217;t push you on it.</p>
<p>So it would appear that we have the federal government to thank for the damage to LA tourism.</p>
<p>I remember when I was growing up, I was proud that we were known as the mural capital of the country. Back then we still had art classes and clubs in public school, we were taught to respect and appreciate art in all it&#8217;s many forms of expression, we had a chance to create and be expressive ourselves. We also had a city that was willing to except everyone&#8217;s free speech through visual expressions, not just corporations with large bank accounts and the sole purpose of advertising.</p>
<p>Not to mention, with the economy at it&#8217;s present state, we need to look outside the box on ways to bring money to our city. Whether Los Angeles realizes it or not, they missed the boat on this one. All I can do is hope with the attention painting over that piece has brought, they take advantage of the opportunity and start involving a broader range of local artists in the &#8220;fixing up&#8221; of this city with our federal money.</p>
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		<title>By: Saber Blog &#187; New Info On The LA River&#8230;&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saber Blog &#187; New Info On The LA River&#8230;&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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