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	<description>Lizard people dude. Seriously.</description>
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		<title>By: WILL CAMPBELL</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/08/26/the-traffic-nightmare-before-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-14553</link>
		<dc:creator>WILL CAMPBELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn, the festival actual does run a shuttle service that picks people up who park at the zoo.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn, the festival actual does run a shuttle service that picks people up who park at the zoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the show, but I&#039;ve only been through once. I agree, it would be much more fun to only have peds/bicycles. Couldn&#039;t they do something like they did when the Observatory re-opened, and run shuttles from the zoo? That would minimize traffic snarls, I would think.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the show, but I&#8217;ve only been through once. I agree, it would be much more fun to only have peds/bicycles. Couldn&#8217;t they do something like they did when the Observatory re-opened, and run shuttles from the zoo? That would minimize traffic snarls, I would think.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Castro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Castro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You&#039;re a mean one, Mister Grinch.&quot;

Seriously, I like the Light Festival and think it is fine the way it is.  Why does everything have to be some over-produced, Hollywood spectacle?  Yeah, it&#039;s hokey.  But there is a lot of charm in those old-school displays.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re a mean one, Mister Grinch.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, I like the Light Festival and think it is fine the way it is.  Why does everything have to be some over-produced, Hollywood spectacle?  Yeah, it&#8217;s hokey.  But there is a lot of charm in those old-school displays.</p>
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		<title>By: Streetsblog Los Angeles &#187; Today&#8217;s Headlines</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/08/26/the-traffic-nightmare-before-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-14550</link>
		<dc:creator>Streetsblog Los Angeles &#187; Today&#8217;s Headlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Neighborhood Council Wants to Take the Cars Out of the Festival of Lights (MetBlogs) [...]

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		<title>By: David Markland</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Markland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;d agree that while the displays probably aren&#039;t made by amateurs, they&#039;re definitely third-rateish. For all its hype and the long lines, its a bit of a let down, especially for a city that pioneers special effects.

That aside, the City of LA could have a much greater, civic minded event by turning this over to pedestrians. Besides the current walk through, they could turn an extra profit by selling hot chocolate along the path, create specialty nights with booth space for local merchants - evening Farmers Markets of sorts, and more.

We need more excuses to get people out of their cars, especially around the holiday season, and this seems like a natural place to do it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;d agree that while the displays probably aren&#8217;t made by amateurs, they&#8217;re definitely third-rateish. For all its hype and the long lines, its a bit of a let down, especially for a city that pioneers special effects.</p>
<p>That aside, the City of LA could have a much greater, civic minded event by turning this over to pedestrians. Besides the current walk through, they could turn an extra profit by selling hot chocolate along the path, create specialty nights with booth space for local merchants &#8211; evening Farmers Markets of sorts, and more.</p>
<p>We need more excuses to get people out of their cars, especially around the holiday season, and this seems like a natural place to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Traffic Nightmare Before Christmas &#124; Los Angeles Metblogs &#124; deepavali</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2009/08/26/the-traffic-nightmare-before-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-14548</link>
		<dc:creator>The Traffic Nightmare Before Christmas &#124; Los Angeles Metblogs &#124; deepavali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See original here: The Traffic Nightmare Before Christmas &#124; Los Angeles Metblogs [...]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See original here: The Traffic Nightmare Before Christmas | Los Angeles Metblogs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gabriele360</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriele360</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s practical but I&#039;d love to see horse drawn wagons or carts...old fashioned hay rides....I&#039;d give tickets to that as presents...I&#039;ve known about the lights for over 20 years and never wanted to go because driving defeats the magic of the experience...
I remember seeing signs advising people where to go to park, so they must have that in place.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s practical but I&#8217;d love to see horse drawn wagons or carts&#8230;old fashioned hay rides&#8230;.I&#8217;d give tickets to that as presents&#8230;I&#8217;ve known about the lights for over 20 years and never wanted to go because driving defeats the magic of the experience&#8230;<br />
I remember seeing signs advising people where to go to park, so they must have that in place.</p>
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		<title>By: lasdlt</title>
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		<dc:creator>lasdlt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it&#039;s not a waste of energy at all.  You see, when the load of the City of LA decreases at night, power is still being generated.  The steam plants that the Department uses cannot easily, quickly, or efficiently be turned off and then turned back on (a cold start takes at least 8 hours).  Having this light show provides a (albeit small) place for the power generated by these plants to go at night, and is one of many.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it&#8217;s not a waste of energy at all.  You see, when the load of the City of LA decreases at night, power is still being generated.  The steam plants that the Department uses cannot easily, quickly, or efficiently be turned off and then turned back on (a cold start takes at least 8 hours).  Having this light show provides a (albeit small) place for the power generated by these plants to go at night, and is one of many.</p>
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		<title>By: forcor</title>
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		<dc:creator>forcor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than blasting the quality of the event itself - which I&#039;ve never seen - I&#039;d like to know:

1. On those &quot;bike night&quot; and &quot;ped nights&quot; that Will is referring to, how was attendance? Good enough to convince the DWP that if they banned cars, people would still come?

2. Did the visitors who drove in on the ped-only nights find easy enough parking, or was it a huge mess just to park? You get my gist: Visitors who couldn&#039;t walk to Griffith Park from their homes would have to drive there, so I wonder how many traffic congestion problems would really be solved by forcing people to find parking instead of just letting them drive through.

Frankly, I&#039;d be happy to scrap this thing entirely, because it sounds like a total waste of energy. But again - I&#039;ve never been, so I&#039;d never miss it. I&#039;m just wondering if anybody who has been on the non-car nights can truthfully say that, from their observations, this alternative might work.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than blasting the quality of the event itself &#8211; which I&#8217;ve never seen &#8211; I&#8217;d like to know:</p>
<p>1. On those &#8220;bike night&#8221; and &#8220;ped nights&#8221; that Will is referring to, how was attendance? Good enough to convince the DWP that if they banned cars, people would still come?</p>
<p>2. Did the visitors who drove in on the ped-only nights find easy enough parking, or was it a huge mess just to park? You get my gist: Visitors who couldn&#8217;t walk to Griffith Park from their homes would have to drive there, so I wonder how many traffic congestion problems would really be solved by forcing people to find parking instead of just letting them drive through.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;d be happy to scrap this thing entirely, because it sounds like a total waste of energy. But again &#8211; I&#8217;ve never been, so I&#8217;d never miss it. I&#8217;m just wondering if anybody who has been on the non-car nights can truthfully say that, from their observations, this alternative might work.</p>
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		<title>By: babamoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>babamoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhh, it had to be said.
It&#039;s a waste of electrical power, time, fuel and overtime for the the DWP.
Many marriages/relationships end on this road to nothingness nothingness.
&quot;Festival of Lights&quot;: Ha! Whadda turkey!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhh, it had to be said.<br />
It&#8217;s a waste of electrical power, time, fuel and overtime for the the DWP.<br />
Many marriages/relationships end on this road to nothingness nothingness.<br />
&#8220;Festival of Lights&#8221;: Ha! Whadda turkey!</p>
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