Comments on: Steve Lopez’s sympathy for El Coyote http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/ Lizard people dude. Seriously. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: mkinla http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/comment-page-1/#comment-44025 mkinla Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:18:46 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=18294#comment-44025 i am thinking locally, that's why el coyote's situation still holds my attention. a good friend of mine at work told me on election eve that he would be voting in favor of 8, because his bond with Christ compelled him to. (also he didn't agree with my lifestyle, whatever the hell that means.) he is no longer my friend. people who did frequent el coyote, and a lot of gays did, spent good money there for years and years. if they take offense at Ms Christofferson's support of the initiative, no matter how big or small, they have every right to stop giving that establishment their business. hopefully, the poor employees who had nothing to do with her contribution can convince the once-loyal customers that the place is worth going back to, because her pouting isn't helping the cause any. i guess i am interested in seeing how these personal relationships flesh out here in LA, and if reasonable protest can win over converts. i am thinking locally, that’s why el coyote’s situation still holds my attention.

a good friend of mine at work told me on election eve that he would be voting in favor of 8, because his bond with Christ compelled him to. (also he didn’t agree with my lifestyle, whatever the hell that means.) he is no longer my friend.

people who did frequent el coyote, and a lot of gays did, spent good money there for years and years. if they take offense at Ms Christofferson’s support of the initiative, no matter how big or small, they have every right to stop giving that establishment their business. hopefully, the poor employees who had nothing to do with her contribution can convince the once-loyal customers that the place is worth going back to, because her pouting isn’t helping the cause any.

i guess i am interested in seeing how these personal relationships flesh out here in LA, and if reasonable protest can win over converts.

]]> By: Burns! http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/comment-page-1/#comment-44024 Burns! Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:51:03 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=18294#comment-44024 If Christofferson seems sorry, it's not that she's sorry for her actions and has reconsidered. It's that she's sorry she is now experiencing the repercussions from her actions. Given the opportunity to reverse (or at least offset) her support of Prop 8, she said she would not. She claims to love and respect everyone in the gay community, but that love and respect clearly does not extend to thinking of them as equals and allowing for their happiness. That being said, I have to agree with Oren. With so many bigger things to worry about with this issue, why are we (and the L.A. Times, et al) still focused on Margie Christofferson and her comparatively minuscule $100 donation? If Christofferson seems sorry, it’s not that she’s sorry for her actions and has reconsidered. It’s that she’s sorry she is now experiencing the repercussions from her actions. Given the opportunity to reverse (or at least offset) her support of Prop 8, she said she would not. She claims to love and respect everyone in the gay community, but that love and respect clearly does not extend to thinking of them as equals and allowing for their happiness.

That being said, I have to agree with Oren. With so many bigger things to worry about with this issue, why are we (and the L.A. Times, et al) still focused on Margie Christofferson and her comparatively minuscule $100 donation?

]]> By: mkinla http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/comment-page-1/#comment-44023 mkinla Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:21:50 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=18294#comment-44023 I have zero sympathy for this woman: "I've almost had a nervous breakdown. It's been the worst thing that's ever happened to me," she sobbed as curious patrons at a Farmers Market coffee shop looked on...http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez14-2008dec14,0,5995847.column Well, she must have lived a charmed existence before she wrote that $100 check! I do feel badly for the employees of El Coyote who had nothing to do with Christoffersen's misguided decision to follow the Mormon Church's edict. 18,000 relationships are in limbo, and I may not be able to marry my partner in my lifetime because of people who think they have the corner on morality, people who manage to gather throwin' stones while living in glass houses. For the thousands of people who rushed to marry the loves of their lives this summer, THIS ripping away of dignity and legitimacy is the worst thing that has happened to them. I have zero sympathy for this woman:
“I’ve almost had a nervous breakdown. It’s been the worst thing that’s ever happened to me,” she sobbed as curious patrons at a Farmers Market coffee shop looked on…http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez14-2008dec14,0,5995847.column

Well, she must have lived a charmed existence before she wrote that $100 check!

I do feel badly for the employees of El Coyote who had nothing to do with Christoffersen’s misguided decision to follow the Mormon Church’s edict.

18,000 relationships are in limbo, and I may not be able to marry my partner in my lifetime because of people who think they have the corner on morality, people who manage to gather throwin’ stones while living in glass houses. For the thousands of people who rushed to marry the loves of their lives this summer, THIS ripping away of dignity and legitimacy is the worst thing that has happened to them.

]]> By: gabriele360 http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/comment-page-1/#comment-44022 gabriele360 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:03:39 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=18294#comment-44022 One thing that bothered me also was that people opposed to Prop 8 were blamed for all the negative reviews online (various sites) for the restaurant. I've never eaten there but the bad reviews for the place go WAY back before Prop 8 and I think my choice (in addition to the support for Prop 8) would be based on responsible online reviews. Yes there were people who trashed the restaurant online in putting down Ms Christoffersen but I know there's time I will go to a place because the friends I'm with prefer it...(even when I don't like it) so for some, the Prop 8 support is the last nail in the coffin...it's the Prop 8 support AND the poor food (according to many reviews). We all have places we go to that may not be the best, but they're favorites for other reasons, or we think about going just to see why it's a favorite with some people. El Coyote is not on those lists anymore. One thing that bothered me also was that people opposed to Prop 8 were
blamed for all the negative reviews online (various sites) for the restaurant. I’ve never eaten there but the bad reviews for the place go WAY back before Prop 8 and I think my choice (in addition to the support for Prop 8) would be based on responsible online reviews. Yes there were people who trashed the restaurant online in putting down Ms Christoffersen but I know there’s time I will go to a place because the friends I’m with prefer it…(even when I don’t like it) so for some, the Prop 8 support is the last nail in the coffin…it’s the Prop 8 support AND the poor food (according to many reviews).
We all have places we go to that may not be the best, but they’re favorites for other reasons, or we think about going just to see why it’s a favorite with some people. El Coyote is not on those lists anymore.

]]> By: Oren http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/comment-page-1/#comment-44021 Oren Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:31:43 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=18294#comment-44021 The depressing part of this is that we're still talking about El Coyote. Prop 8 didn't pass because of Margie Christoffersen. I support people's right to boycott whomever they want. But isn't it sad that the public face of the anti-prop-8 backlash in LA is El Coyote? Doesn't that make everyone seem smaller? The depressing part of this is that we’re still talking about El Coyote. Prop 8 didn’t pass because of Margie Christoffersen. I support people’s right to boycott whomever they want. But isn’t it sad that the public face of the anti-prop-8 backlash in LA is El Coyote? Doesn’t that make everyone seem smaller?

]]> By: David http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/comment-page-1/#comment-44020 David Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:29:25 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=18294#comment-44020 Thanks Bert. Good to know. Thanks Bert. Good to know.

]]> By: WILL•I•AM CAMPBELL http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/comment-page-1/#comment-44019 WILL•I•AM CAMPBELL Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:03:53 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=18294#comment-44019 A 30% drop in customers? Wow. Sounds like the decline is the result of both the boycotts and the general reduction of people dining out because of the economy. A 30% drop in customers? Wow. Sounds like the decline is the result of both the boycotts and the general reduction of people dining out because of the economy.

]]> By: Bert Green http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/comment-page-1/#comment-44018 Bert Green Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:44:49 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=18294#comment-44018 Margie was asked after this happened if she would now be willing to make a similar donation to the effort to overturn Prop 8 and she declined. That sums it up for me. She has not changed her mind, she is as opposed to the right to marry as before. The difference is that now the people she hoped to deny rights to have decided to deny her the ability to make money off of them. Margie was asked after this happened if she would now be willing to make a similar donation to the effort to overturn Prop 8 and she declined. That sums it up for me. She has not changed her mind, she is as opposed to the right to marry as before. The difference is that now the people she hoped to deny rights to have decided to deny her the ability to make money off of them.

]]> By: David http://blogging.la/2008/12/17/steve-lopezs-sympathy-for-el-coyote/comment-page-1/#comment-44017 David Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:57:19 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=18294#comment-44017 <i>I'd like to point out that my following comment is made based solely on info I get from here and a couple My Space friends, so bear with me......</i> First I'd like to point out that I'm a large supporter of gay marriage. Read any of my posts around election time and you'll know that to be true. However, I can't help but feel sorry for Margie. Now, she contributed to Yes on 8 and SHAME on her for that! I agree with the boycott on those grounds. But (this is where my assumptions come in) it <i>seems</i> she's sorry for what she did. I understand there are horrible and/or uninformed people out there that still feel homosexual marriage is wrong, but she appears to be genuinely sorry. To me, the continuous boycotting and protesting of the restaurant is going against what I feel to be more important, which is changing peoples' ideas of what is right and wrong. I have more than a few friends that voted or were going to vote Yes on 8. The few that were going to vote Yes ended up voting No because I spoke with them about their views and they were misinformed. Isn't it possible Margie was misinformed, and has now changed her view on the subject? And if that's true, is it right to continue to punish someone who is trying to make amends?? Sorry this is so long, but this issue has been bothering me. If I'm the one who is misinformed and she still rejects gay marriage, tell me and I won't feel so bad. But if I'm correct, maybe it's time to let it go before she turns bitter and hates it all over again. I’d like to point out that my following comment is made based solely on info I get from here and a couple My Space friends, so bear with me……

First I’d like to point out that I’m a large supporter of gay marriage. Read any of my posts around election time and you’ll know that to be true. However, I can’t help but feel sorry for Margie. Now, she contributed to Yes on 8 and SHAME on her for that! I agree with the boycott on those grounds. But (this is where my assumptions come in) it seems she’s sorry for what she did. I understand there are horrible and/or uninformed people out there that still feel homosexual marriage is wrong, but she appears to be genuinely sorry. To me, the continuous boycotting and protesting of the restaurant is going against what I feel to be more important, which is changing peoples’ ideas of what is right and wrong.

I have more than a few friends that voted or were going to vote Yes on 8. The few that were going to vote Yes ended up voting No because I spoke with them about their views and they were misinformed. Isn’t it possible Margie was misinformed, and has now changed her view on the subject? And if that’s true, is it right to continue to punish someone who is trying to make amends??

Sorry this is so long, but this issue has been bothering me. If I’m the one who is misinformed and she still rejects gay marriage, tell me and I won’t feel so bad. But if I’m correct, maybe it’s time to let it go before she turns bitter and hates it all over again.

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