Comments on: Prop 8: Mormon money and the black vote http://blogging.la/2008/11/29/prop-8-mormon-money-and-the-black-vote/ Lizard people dude. Seriously. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: queequeg http://blogging.la/2008/11/29/prop-8-mormon-money-and-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-44012 queequeg Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:01:18 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=17757#comment-44012 Though I wouldn't put it in that same language, I agree in part with what Browne has to say. Electing Obama proves only that we can elect a non-white president, and nothing more. The way everyone (not just the media - people in general) have interpreted this election steers dangerously close to conveniently allowing ourselves to be blind from the racism, sexism, etc -isms that still exists. Obama isn't a panacea to all of our problems, and to use him as a convenient means of saying, "Hey, look, we're no longer a racist country!!" - as some already have - is nothing more than an ignorant distraction. To now "not understand" how black voters could vote for Obama and for Prop. 8 in one breath is to reduce them into one massive, single-minded, simple voting bloc. That is a mistake that the gay community made before the election, and that Anti-8-ers are making after. The gay community, done with its scapegoating, is ready to move on to the larger issues at hand: education, education. And it has to be honest with itself, its own biases, and its own prejudices in order to be successful. The Mormons, though - that's a different story. Hopefully the education and a better run campaign will overcome their message. Though I wouldn’t put it in that same language, I agree in part with what Browne has to say. Electing Obama proves only that we can elect a non-white president, and nothing more. The way everyone (not just the media – people in general) have interpreted this election steers dangerously close to conveniently allowing ourselves to be blind from the racism, sexism, etc -isms that still exists. Obama isn’t a panacea to all of our problems, and to use him as a convenient means of saying, “Hey, look, we’re no longer a racist country!!” – as some already have – is nothing more than an ignorant distraction. To now “not understand” how black voters could vote for Obama and for Prop. 8 in one breath is to reduce them into one massive, single-minded, simple voting bloc. That is a mistake that the gay community made before the election, and that Anti-8-ers are making after.

The gay community, done with its scapegoating, is ready to move on to the larger issues at hand: education, education. And it has to be honest with itself, its own biases, and its own prejudices in order to be successful.

The Mormons, though – that’s a different story. Hopefully the education and a better run campaign will overcome their message.

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I think overall what the gay community and its supporters need to do is focus on an even broader “education campaign” to dispel all the myths and falsehoods about homosexuality (its a choice, its a sickness, etc.).

It won’t turn around everyone, but it may make some think through the issue again.

]]> By: browne http://blogging.la/2008/11/29/prop-8-mormon-money-and-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-44010 browne Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:08:40 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/?p=17757#comment-44010 "we can hope continued healing of race relations will accelerate in the dawning age of Obama" Chal. I don't. The total nastiness that came out regarding this campaign shows me this country will never, ever let it go. First chance people get to paint ethnic minorities with one brush they jump right on it and then they won't say sorry. The "we voted in Obama for you people and look what you did." What kind of bs is that. And what's up with this pretend objective moral high ground post? You went right for the "black people are all blah, blah" thing in the beginning, so stop acting like you didn't do that and you are now just reporting what you hear. (What did you guys do have a meeting and decided you were going to be less jerky towards ethnic people, well you better go back and draw up a new plan.) It's very insincere. And so what now, you want to have a discussion on black culture and how "we people" think on LA Metblogs...yeah right. You want have a real discussion on this, you probably should admit to your own biases. Yes you Chal, not gay people's issues, but your issues. I know that there is a problem with homophobia in the black community (not anymore than any other group if you account for church attendance and education) but its there, but how can we do anything or discuss anything when you won't even be real with your own views. I don't appreciate people who look like me being pathologized everytime something goes wrong, just like I'm pretty sure you don't appreciate it when it's done to gay people, but the difference between me and you is that even though all of this crap has been said about people who look like me I still would never, ever write some veiled homophobic crap on my blog or any blog that I was part of. Browne “we can hope continued healing of race relations will accelerate in the dawning age of Obama” Chal.

I don’t. The total nastiness that came out regarding this campaign shows me this country will never, ever let it go. First chance people get to paint ethnic minorities with one brush they jump right on it and then they won’t say sorry. The “we voted in Obama for you people and look what you did.” What kind of bs is that. And what’s up with this pretend objective moral high ground post? You went right for the “black people are all blah, blah” thing in the beginning, so stop acting like you didn’t do that and you are now just reporting what you hear. (What did you guys do have a meeting and decided you were going to be less jerky towards ethnic people, well you better go back and draw up a new plan.) It’s very insincere. And so what now, you want to have a discussion on black culture and how “we people” think on LA Metblogs…yeah right.

You want have a real discussion on this, you probably should admit to your own biases. Yes you Chal, not gay people’s issues, but your issues. I know that there is a problem with homophobia in the black community (not anymore than any other group if you account for church attendance and education) but its there, but how can we do anything or discuss anything when you won’t even be real with your own views.

I don’t appreciate people who look like me being pathologized everytime something goes wrong, just like I’m pretty sure you don’t appreciate it when it’s done to gay people, but the difference between me and you is that even though all of this crap has been said about people who look like me I still would never, ever write some veiled homophobic crap on my blog or any blog that I was part of.

Browne

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