Well, as long as we decide to do this in the areas that matter (the ones that actually voted yes…5th through 9th council districts in Long Beach), it may be effective. Otherwise, we may be wasting our time. I think we should find a way to get rid of marriage in general from the state constitution. Would be more effective.

By the way, if you haven’t looked, the results by city (and council districts in larger cities) are here:

I’ll probably be at the Long Beach protest tonight, gotta support it (actually surprised how prop 8 was almost 50/50 here, thought it would be overwhelmingly against).

I’m so glad we have a 100% separation of church and state that would never allow prop 8 to pass. Oh wait, that was an alternate dimension. I really hope that the IRS does take away the churches non profit status, “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” You take away BASIC FSCKING RIGHTS from people and you get your non profit status taken away.

Prop 8 never should have been considered for a vote, it’s so wrong. Should have called it prop hate.

Nice link nobody1231234.
Bmayhem, I’m with you. I really have a problem when someone tries to force their religious beliefs on me via changes to the constitution. I could care less what their religion is, firmly believe they have every right to follow it, BUT they need to keep it to themselves and my life.

BTW…my IRS complaint is in the mail.

I like how LA in this case, seems to be more militant than San Francisco. They had a candlelight vigil. We shut the streets down.

Some are saying this is the new Stonewall. Could be. In my eyes its also today’s Brown Vs. The Board of Education. It was there that we learned separate was not equal.

waltarrrr I think you are probably more on point with Brown V The Board. What a legacy we’d leave the future if we bring about equality once and for all on this issue.

At the risk of getting blocked for re-posting stuff and auto-looking like a comment spammer, I’m going to repost my stupid-long comment that I attached to a prop-8 related post yesterday in the hopes that it gets more attention here and anyone with information can pass it on. A preview/hint: protests don’t do squat but piss off people stuck in traffic:

“If anyone reading has any insight into how the No on 8 campaign was run in LA, I’d love to hear about it. Here in Sacramento, while there were phone banks leading up to Election Day, there was no actual, day-of get out the vote effort. Political hacks and community organizer types know get out the vote (GOTV) is generally a hallmark of winning campaigns (see eg: Obama, Barack). GOTV means you go back to the people you identified leading up to E-Day as supporters of your cause, and you make sure they vote. It means checking the lists of names at polling places and, when necessary, driving people to vote.

If the hundreds or thousands (depending on the area) had been able to do that sort of work on Election Day – it might not have defeated Prop 8, but the result would’ve been much closer.

If there’s another ballot measure and you want to beat it (or pass it, depending on how it’s written), make sure you beat down the door of the campaign for your side and insist on helping get out the vote. As another post discusses below, 1:1 marketing – what people in the field organizing business would also call voter contact – is the single most persusive way to reach voters and the single most effective way to get them to vote.

All the massively attended protests in the world Will Not Ensure Electoral Victory. Period.

I think the No on 8 campaign made some big mistakes. I hope I’m wrong and I hope someone who helped directly with the campaign in other cities can follow up this comment. If I’m right, we need to be really open, and really loud discussing the missteps so that we’re prepared for next time.”

All this traffic-snarling protesting is too-little, too-late. It’s not real action. It’s symbolic and it’s meaningful, and it’s comforting to know people believe in equality – but it won’t change what we let happen on Tuesday.

Thanks for your reply and I won’t spam you.

One has to sift through the comments of others but the short of it is is that Yes on 8 outspent the opposition. They courted the traditional family values of the latin and black votes. The same folks that voted Obama into power also fell to the traditional values calls and voted Yes on 8. The irritating part is that my kids wound up getting voice mails on their phones from Yes on 8 when the text message attempts were rejected. (I’m one of 3 bad Dad’s in the city that never enabled texting on their phones).

That is the short of what happened.

May see this as the new “Stonewall” for this century. Others believe this may be the next “Brown v Board of Education” to wipe out the last bit of inequity in human rights. I think the latter may be true of the effort is constructively presented.

Again, thanks for the comments.

I can say that there was a very large polling place presence by No on 8 because my wife and I were both involved in it. Their estimate was that we spoke to between 750,000 and 1,000,000 voters. I don’t think, however, that they were doing GOTV phone banking on election day and that would be a big mistake, especially given the confusion over Prop 8′s language.

I wasn’t very happy with the No on 8′s campaign’s strategy and presence in LA as a whole. Yes on 8 was everywhere, up to and including election day. They posted Yes on 8 yard signs in huge numbers up and down all of the major thoroughfares the night before the election, and they did an unfortunately great job energizing and mobilizing small local religious communites with misinformation (which I didn’t really see the No on 8 people effectively countering).

The LDS church didn’t directly donate to the Proposition. Though I’m not Mormon I’m pretty sure the church is well aware of it’s tax-exempt status, and didn’t allow money to come from church coffers but from individuals within the church. Now, if they encouraged their people to donate, that might be another story but as it’s been described church elders encouraged them to volunteer, something well within the law.

We may never know, as only Mormons are allowed in the Temple to begin with.

Without sounding like a “this-is-a-conspiracy-theory-and-I-am-crazy” wacko, I believe some churches actually mandated their parishioners support Prop 8. I must find the blog article that spoke of this, lest this be considered a paranoid comment.

Now is the time to go door to door, outspend the competition, and do things the right way. It sucks that Prop 8 had to pass to get us to act like this, but it’s better than apathy!

Also, frazgo, wouldn’t you say that Twitter as well has played a huge part in organizing No on 8 protests? They are generally posted their first and spread like wildfire.

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