Comments on: Kids’ pocket change to pay for their education http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/ Lizard people dude. Seriously. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Raising education funds one brush stroke at a time. | Los Angeles Metblogs http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21509 Raising education funds one brush stroke at a time. | Los Angeles Metblogs Tue, 06 May 2008 01:41:51 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21509 [...] than any other public school in the state. Faced with possible budget cuts and the need for fund raising as discussed here in Metblogs this last week they are taking the steps needed to ensure they can [...] [...] than any other public school in the state. Faced with possible budget cuts and the need for fund raising as discussed here in Metblogs this last week they are taking the steps needed to ensure they can [...]

]]> By: dorit http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21508 dorit Fri, 02 May 2008 15:59:45 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21508 Hi Mack, I hope you will be able to make the protest on the 9th (next Friday) a lot of parents (mostly moms) from Silver Lake will be there. The prop 13 thing: I am no expert, but there are parts of prop 13 that have noting to do with old people and working class families being able to keep their homes. Like most commercial, both residential and other, properties are covered under prop 13. And when a person dies, the prop 13 tax rate can pass on to their children and grandchildren. That is great when we are talking about a family home, but how about residential rental property (and before any of you jump on me for hating landlords/ landladies, I am related to a few and KNOW how SHITTIE a job it is). Does that sound fair for the people who were not lucky enough to have a parent living in California who was able to buy a house or apartment building in the 1960’s? But it is up to the residents of California to force the politicians to fix the problems with prop 13, because they are not going to do it own their own. Hi Mack,
I hope you will be able to make the protest on the 9th (next Friday) a lot of parents (mostly moms) from Silver Lake will be there.
The prop 13 thing: I am no expert, but there are parts of prop 13 that have noting to do with old people and working class families being able to keep their homes. Like most commercial, both residential and other, properties are covered under prop 13. And when a person dies, the prop 13 tax rate can pass on to their children and grandchildren. That is great when we are talking about a family home, but how about residential rental property (and before any of you jump on me for hating landlords/ landladies, I am related to a few and KNOW how SHITTIE a job it is). Does that sound fair for the people who were not lucky enough to have a parent living in California who was able to buy a house or apartment building in the 1960’s?
But it is up to the residents of California to force the politicians to fix the problems with prop 13, because they are not going to do it own their own.

]]> By: Mack Reed http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21507 Mack Reed Fri, 02 May 2008 00:36:57 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21507 Hey, dorit, thanks for posting this - it's good to know there *is* something we can take part in. On another note, I'm beginning to think Prop. 13 *does* need to be repealed, but there's no chance of that until people start demonstrating the cost of the thing in means that can be understood by all - even property owners. Hey, dorit, thanks for posting this – it’s good to know there *is* something we can take part in.

On another note, I’m beginning to think Prop. 13 *does* need to be repealed, but there’s no chance of that until people start demonstrating the cost of the thing in means that can be understood by all – even property owners.

]]> By: dorit http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21506 dorit Thu, 01 May 2008 17:43:04 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21506 Web site for anyone interested in finding out more about school budget cuts and what you can do to help prevent them. http://www.californiachildrensrally.com/ If you don't do anything to at least try to stop the cuts, they you shouldn't BITCH and blame "the Man" or the apathy of people of LA when they happen Web site for anyone interested in finding out more about school budget cuts and what you can do to help prevent them. http://www.californiachildrensrally.com/

If you don’t do anything to at least try to stop the cuts, they you shouldn’t BITCH and blame “the Man” or the apathy of people of LA when they happen

]]> By: satan http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21505 satan Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:07:54 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21505 "Though we will never live in a community, I think we should still be reminded that we should live in a community. I think you always have to have that person that says how things could be, because I think if you lose that you lose civilization completely. Also if you don’t believe humans can do a better job, then what’s the point. Why not just kill yourself? Everyone may be an asshole forever, but in order for me to continue on I have to believe that won’t be the case forever, even if that means I’m completely delusional." -Hey, I'm glad you can do that. I can actually respect that. I hope you keep on keeping on in that regard. Seriously. “Though we will never live in a community, I think we should still be reminded that we should live in a community. I think you always have to have that person that says how things could be, because I think if you lose that you lose civilization completely. Also if you don’t believe humans can do a better job, then what’s the point. Why not just kill yourself? Everyone may be an asshole forever, but in order for me to continue on I have to believe that won’t be the case forever, even if that means I’m completely delusional.”

-Hey, I’m glad you can do that. I can actually respect that. I hope you keep on keeping on in that regard.
Seriously.

]]> By: dorit http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21504 dorit Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:00:15 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21504 As a parent of a second grader in a school were some of neighbors embraces the idea of diversity but who don’t want to expose their kids to real diversity, do everything in their power to insure their little darlings never share a classroom or campus with my ½ Mexican ½ Irish all American daughter or any of her (most American born) Mexican, Central American, Pilipino/a, Indonesian, Chinese, European or African classmates, I say let them spend the $20,000 per year or sell homes they love to buy smaller homes in the “good” school district. Who needs them anyway? The school is great the way it is (not perfect, but perfection is never attainable). As a parent of a second grader in a school were some of neighbors embraces the idea of diversity but who don’t want to expose their kids to real diversity, do everything in their power to insure their little darlings never share a classroom or campus with my ½ Mexican ½ Irish all American daughter or any of her (most American born) Mexican, Central American, Pilipino/a, Indonesian, Chinese, European or African classmates, I say let them spend the $20,000 per year or sell homes they love to buy smaller homes in the “good” school district. Who needs them anyway? The school is great the way it is (not perfect, but perfection is never attainable).

]]> By: browne http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21503 browne Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:13:11 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21503 You know Satan, it amazes me the people who live in Echo Park to be cool, but won't send their kids to school there. I mean really how stupid. If you think the school is so bad, why not live somewhere where you can actually live your life instead of just being a freakin' poseur? Though we will never live in a community, I think we should still be reminded that we should live in a community. I think you always have to have that person that says how things could be, because I think if you lose that you lose civilization completely. Also if you don't believe humans can do a better job, then what's the point. Why not just kill yourself? Everyone may be an asshole forever, but in order for me to continue on I have to believe that won't be the case forever, even if that means I'm completely delusional. How fun would life be if this was it? Of course you're Satan, so this would be ideal in Satan's world or am I stereotyping you Satan :) Browne You know Satan, it amazes me the people who live in Echo Park to be cool, but won’t send their kids to school there. I mean really how stupid. If you think the school is so bad, why not live somewhere where you can actually live your life instead of just being a freakin’ poseur?

Though we will never live in a community, I think we should still be reminded that we should live in a community. I think you always have to have that person that says how things could be, because I think if you lose that you lose civilization completely. Also if you don’t believe humans can do a better job, then what’s the point. Why not just kill yourself? Everyone may be an asshole forever, but in order for me to continue on I have to believe that won’t be the case forever, even if that means I’m completely delusional.

How fun would life be if this was it?

Of course you’re Satan, so this would be ideal in Satan’s world or am I stereotyping you Satan :)

Browne

]]> By: satan http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21502 satan Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:28:08 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21502 One reason that some parents in L.A. will not be involved in this issue and you won't see them protesting, is that they send their kids to private schools, or they contribute deeply to a school that becomes a little a more elite than others, so they could care less about the rest of LAUSD. The class system here creates a bloc of parents who would never send their kids to public schools anyway, or frankly, who would never send their kids to schools where there are too many "brown" kids. I have seen certain parents go to extraordinary lengths to not send their kids to a school a block away from their homes because that school is too brown for their tastes. They create a little whispering network among their peer group, (and real estate agents add to it too when a new "elite" type buys in the neighborhood) ( ps. I'm not saying it's only white people doing this) of trashing a public school without ever setting foot in it. This class of parents lives on another level entirely. So really, Let's stop hoping that we live in a big community and that everyone can somehow be on the same page with these issues. Some people will never change, and those of us working folk who don't wield the big clout have got to constantly look out for ourselves, and constantly "fight the powers that be". I've seen too much to be so naive anymore. One reason that some parents in L.A. will not be involved in this issue and you won’t see them protesting, is that they send their kids to private schools, or they contribute deeply to a school that becomes a little a more elite than others, so they could care less about the rest of LAUSD. The class system here creates a bloc of parents who would never send their kids to public schools anyway, or frankly, who would never send their kids to schools where there are too many “brown” kids. I have seen certain parents go to extraordinary lengths to not send their kids to a school a block away from their homes because that school is too brown for their tastes.
They create a little whispering network among their peer group, (and real estate agents add to it too when a new “elite” type buys in the neighborhood) ( ps. I’m not saying it’s only white people doing this) of trashing a public school without ever setting foot in it. This class of parents lives on another level entirely. So really, Let’s stop hoping that we live in a big community and that everyone can somehow be on the same page with these issues. Some people will never change, and those of us working folk who don’t wield the big clout have got to constantly look out for ourselves, and constantly “fight the powers that be”. I’ve seen too much to be so naive anymore.

]]> By: browne http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21501 browne Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:15:55 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21501 The thing that is so depressing about the states is that people only care about the things that impact them. The people upset about the schools are people who have children in the schools. It shouldn't be like that. Our human community shouldn't be so compartmentalized. All of us should be upset. All of us should be on that bus to Sacramento, not just the people with kids. We should all give a damn about the struggles of our fellow man and woman even if they don't match our demographic exactly. Kid issues shouldn't be protested only by people who have kids. Immigrant issues shouldn't be protested by only people who are immigrants. Woman issues shouldn't be protested only by people who are women. This list goes on and on, we should all help each other and feel that we are one community, but we don't and we won't. I don't know if people in this country will ever wake up and get a clue. We don’t have socialized medicine because we have people who would rather have thousands die, because they don’t want to pay more taxes, because who the fu*k cares. They have health insurance and a job. This “I got mine” attitude needs to be stop. It’s barbaric and it’s unlike any other industrialized country in the world. Browne The thing that is so depressing about the states is that people only care about the things that impact them.

The people upset about the schools are people who have children in the schools.

It shouldn’t be like that. Our human community shouldn’t be so compartmentalized.

All of us should be upset. All of us should be on that bus to Sacramento, not just the people with kids.

We should all give a damn about the struggles of our fellow man and woman even if they don’t match our demographic exactly.

Kid issues shouldn’t be protested only by people who have kids.
Immigrant issues shouldn’t be protested by only people who are immigrants.
Woman issues shouldn’t be protested only by people who are women.

This list goes on and on, we should all help each other and feel that we are one community, but we don’t and we won’t. I don’t know if people in this country will ever wake up and get a clue.

We don’t have socialized medicine because we have people who would rather have thousands die, because they don’t want to pay more taxes, because who the fu*k cares. They have health insurance and a job. This “I got mine” attitude needs to be stop. It’s barbaric and it’s unlike any other industrialized country in the world.

Browne

]]> By: dorit http://blogging.la/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/comment-page-1/#comment-21500 dorit Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:49:07 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/29/kids-pocket-change-to-pay-for-their-education/#comment-21500 Thanks for this posting Mack. I hope it will open a much needed dialog on this Metblogs I can only speak about LAUSD in greater Silver Lake and the LAUSD Local District 4 (Silver Lake, Hollywood, Echo Park Pico Union, Fairfax and the like) A few points I would like to make to Browne's post: Marshall High and King Middle school are still on year round and over crowed. The current building of new schools will not help these two schools. There is a plan to make the feeder grade schools k- 6th grade (the way it should be) as a way to relieve the over crowding at King. Micheltorena is already k- 6th and Mayberry should be going to 6th grade by next year. LAUSD school is in richer communities (like Ivanhoe) are hurt more by not having Title one (kids who are eligible for free or reduced lunch) and English Learner (EL) students. Ivanhoe and Friends of Ivanhoe (a great organization!!) had to raise $100,000.00 last year to pay for Teacher assistances, music and the like. Micheltorena (with about 100 more students) received $279,440.00 because of the large number of Title One (92%) and EL (67%) students. Michelotrena used this money to have an extra upper grade teacher, music teacher, a nurse 4 days a week, 4 teacher assistances a school psychologist, sending teachers to trainings, sending parents to trainings and a community representative. Micheltorena will be getting about $54,000.00 less for 08-09 due to the school shard work of reclassifying EL student (that means more students are now fluent in English) My biggest fear with the budget cuts is the cutting of teachers and increase of class size. All one has to do is look at the data (which I do often) to see that the biggest factor in increasing test scores in reducing class size. And everyone I know is talking about and taking action on the coming budget cuts, I guess it depends on the company you keep. I belong to two Yahoo groups, LANeighborhoodschools and LAUSDParents. We, the people on these lists, are planning many budget protests in May and June. Most will be in Los Angeles but at least two will be in Sacramento (a buss trip) Thanks for this posting Mack. I hope it will open a much needed dialog on this Metblogs
I can only speak about LAUSD in greater Silver Lake and the LAUSD Local District 4 (Silver Lake, Hollywood, Echo Park Pico Union, Fairfax and the like)

A few points I would like to make to Browne’s post:

Marshall High and King Middle school are still on year round and over crowed. The current building of new schools will not help these two schools. There is a plan to make the feeder grade schools k- 6th grade (the way it should be) as a way to relieve the over crowding at King. Micheltorena is already k- 6th and Mayberry should be going to 6th grade by next year.

LAUSD school is in richer communities (like Ivanhoe) are hurt more by not having Title one (kids who are eligible for free or reduced lunch) and English Learner (EL) students. Ivanhoe and Friends of Ivanhoe (a great organization!!) had to raise $100,000.00 last year to pay for Teacher assistances, music and the like. Micheltorena (with about 100 more students) received $279,440.00 because of the large number of Title One (92%) and EL (67%) students. Michelotrena used this money to have an extra upper grade teacher, music teacher, a nurse 4 days a week, 4 teacher assistances a school psychologist, sending teachers to trainings, sending parents to trainings and a community representative. Micheltorena will be getting about $54,000.00 less for 08-09 due to the school shard work of reclassifying EL student (that means more students are now fluent in English)

My biggest fear with the budget cuts is the cutting of teachers and increase of class size. All one has to do is look at the data (which I do often) to see that the biggest factor in increasing test scores in reducing class size.

And everyone I know is talking about and taking action on the coming budget cuts, I guess it depends on the company you keep. I belong to two Yahoo groups, LANeighborhoodschools and LAUSDParents. We, the people on these lists, are planning many budget protests in May and June. Most will be in Los Angeles but at least two will be in Sacramento (a buss trip)

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