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	<title>Comments on: updated for clarification: Fuck the WGA Strike</title>
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	<description>Lizard people dude. Seriously.</description>
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		<title>By: wwarner</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/12/14/updated-for-clarification-fuck-the-wga-strike/comment-page-2/#comment-52626</link>
		<dc:creator>wwarner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really confused.  When you sell something doesn&#039;t that mean you no longer own it? Who does the negotiating on script sales?

Also, Unions have a history of serving our labor force against corporate abuses.  When I hear writers talking about &quot;giving themselves over to the Company&quot;  as i have heard said in the past I have to wonder how many of these writers are living in Shantytown????

I think both sides are playing hardball for the wrong reasons and causing too many casualties of innocent bystanders also trying to earn a living in this industry.

I am afraid that I am not too sympathetic  to the WGA when I see my own family forced out of work for who knows how long and at what cost with no benefit from this at all other than to look forward to a possible DGA or SAG strike going on into next year.  What is the matter with you people?  Sit down, put some serious effort into resolving this and don&#039;t leave the table until you have a reasonable settlement.

Can I tll you how sick of this I am?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really confused.  When you sell something doesn&#8217;t that mean you no longer own it? Who does the negotiating on script sales?</p>
<p>Also, Unions have a history of serving our labor force against corporate abuses.  When I hear writers talking about &#8220;giving themselves over to the Company&#8221;  as i have heard said in the past I have to wonder how many of these writers are living in Shantytown????</p>
<p>I think both sides are playing hardball for the wrong reasons and causing too many casualties of innocent bystanders also trying to earn a living in this industry.</p>
<p>I am afraid that I am not too sympathetic  to the WGA when I see my own family forced out of work for who knows how long and at what cost with no benefit from this at all other than to look forward to a possible DGA or SAG strike going on into next year.  What is the matter with you people?  Sit down, put some serious effort into resolving this and don&#8217;t leave the table until you have a reasonable settlement.</p>
<p>Can I tll you how sick of this I am?</p>
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		<title>By: Browne</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/12/14/updated-for-clarification-fuck-the-wga-strike/comment-page-2/#comment-52625</link>
		<dc:creator>Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the true language of film is NOT rooted in the written word.&quot; Cutter

This from a guy who writes F*c* the WGA strike in a forum where he knows half of the people are writers and then has the nerve to put up an edit that says &quot;oh i didn&#039;t mean it like that.&quot;

If you didn&#039;t mean it like that, then don&#039;t say it like that. I never say sorry for anything I write, because it&#039;s not talking. This isn&#039;t a bar. You can write it, look at it and then edit it before you put it out there. Once it&#039;s out there, you don&#039;t get take backs, this isn&#039;t the third grade.

Obviously you don&#039;t understand language and the power of it. This thread demonstrates that. You think it&#039;s as easy as farting.

A smelly fart and an excuse me makes it all go away.

You make mean-spirited comments in the backyard (from an outsiders perspective) of a bunch of WGA people and then you act surprised and get defensive. Being mean-sprited is ok , but doing it and then getting defensive, well...

I think you should stop commenting now and just let people have at it in regards to your post, but you won&#039;t, because you have to be right.

Petty and defensive, nice.

Browne

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the true language of film is NOT rooted in the written word.&#8221; Cutter</p>
<p>This from a guy who writes F*c* the WGA strike in a forum where he knows half of the people are writers and then has the nerve to put up an edit that says &#8220;oh i didn&#8217;t mean it like that.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you didn&#8217;t mean it like that, then don&#8217;t say it like that. I never say sorry for anything I write, because it&#8217;s not talking. This isn&#8217;t a bar. You can write it, look at it and then edit it before you put it out there. Once it&#8217;s out there, you don&#8217;t get take backs, this isn&#8217;t the third grade.</p>
<p>Obviously you don&#8217;t understand language and the power of it. This thread demonstrates that. You think it&#8217;s as easy as farting.</p>
<p>A smelly fart and an excuse me makes it all go away.</p>
<p>You make mean-spirited comments in the backyard (from an outsiders perspective) of a bunch of WGA people and then you act surprised and get defensive. Being mean-sprited is ok , but doing it and then getting defensive, well&#8230;</p>
<p>I think you should stop commenting now and just let people have at it in regards to your post, but you won&#8217;t, because you have to be right.</p>
<p>Petty and defensive, nice.</p>
<p>Browne</p>
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		<title>By: cutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>cutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the hubris of some of these comments baffles me.

the true language of film is NOT rooted in the written word. the language of film is visual, and any screenwriter or editor or cinematographer worth his or her salt would agree.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the hubris of some of these comments baffles me.</p>
<p>the true language of film is NOT rooted in the written word. the language of film is visual, and any screenwriter or editor or cinematographer worth his or her salt would agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Browne</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/12/14/updated-for-clarification-fuck-the-wga-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-52623</link>
		<dc:creator>Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the writer is NOT the most important element of a film or television show,&quot; cutter

Wow, that&#039;s just shocking. I think that is the most stupid thing I&#039;ve heard today and I&#039;m not even at the bar yet.

Your dad has got to be a producer or something, because I&#039;m just not understanding your reasoning. If writing isn&#039;t that important, why don&#039;t you stop sharing your &quot;this is not fair, the union is mean&quot; via the english language and start posting flashing lights or maybe you could direct someone else to flash the lights.

Sorry you are wrong, very wrong.

I hate TV and even I know the writers are the foundation for all of entertainment, even crappy entertainment.

You can train any marginally intelligent person to do tech stuff. The right daddy can get you a directing gig, but you can&#039;t train or nepo into writing good stuff, even crappy stuff. That takes a talent.

A talent that school and trying very hard can&#039;t make happen, which is kind of not so much the case with all of the other parts of Hollywood.

The soul of entertainment is in the pen, well the soul that is left.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the writer is NOT the most important element of a film or television show,&#8221; cutter</p>
<p>Wow, that&#8217;s just shocking. I think that is the most stupid thing I&#8217;ve heard today and I&#8217;m not even at the bar yet.</p>
<p>Your dad has got to be a producer or something, because I&#8217;m just not understanding your reasoning. If writing isn&#8217;t that important, why don&#8217;t you stop sharing your &#8220;this is not fair, the union is mean&#8221; via the english language and start posting flashing lights or maybe you could direct someone else to flash the lights.</p>
<p>Sorry you are wrong, very wrong.</p>
<p>I hate TV and even I know the writers are the foundation for all of entertainment, even crappy entertainment.</p>
<p>You can train any marginally intelligent person to do tech stuff. The right daddy can get you a directing gig, but you can&#8217;t train or nepo into writing good stuff, even crappy stuff. That takes a talent.</p>
<p>A talent that school and trying very hard can&#8217;t make happen, which is kind of not so much the case with all of the other parts of Hollywood.</p>
<p>The soul of entertainment is in the pen, well the soul that is left.</p>
<p>Browne</p>
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		<title>By: David Markland</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/12/14/updated-for-clarification-fuck-the-wga-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-52622</link>
		<dc:creator>David Markland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cutter, dude, I can&#039;t believe you&#039;d disagree that the most important part of any great movie is the screenplay. That seems to me to be an essential truth that I&#039;ve known since I was five.

There are crap films with great photography and great acting, but there is never a great movie without a great script.

That you&#039;re bringing up Jackass to support your argument is incredibly strange.

The reality is the producers could easily make movies and television without guild writers. If you feel so passionately against the WGA&#039;s side of the issue, you should encourage them to move on with non-Guild writers.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cutter, dude, I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;d disagree that the most important part of any great movie is the screenplay. That seems to me to be an essential truth that I&#8217;ve known since I was five.</p>
<p>There are crap films with great photography and great acting, but there is never a great movie without a great script.</p>
<p>That you&#8217;re bringing up Jackass to support your argument is incredibly strange.</p>
<p>The reality is the producers could easily make movies and television without guild writers. If you feel so passionately against the WGA&#8217;s side of the issue, you should encourage them to move on with non-Guild writers.</p>
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		<title>By: cutter</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/12/14/updated-for-clarification-fuck-the-wga-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-52621</link>
		<dc:creator>cutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, and people call ME ignorant.

some of you did not seem to read my whole response, which doesn&#039;t solely reference VFX artists.

ponder this: how important is the writer to a movie when there&#039;s no cinematographer? the answer is &quot;not very&quot;. what is a script without a director or producer? it&#039;s words on paper.

the writer is NOT the most important element of a film or television show. like every other participant, they are an integral element that helps make up the whole.

also, some of you seemed to miss the big news story this week about paramount taking outtakes from &lt;em&gt;jackass two&lt;/em&gt; and recutting them as &lt;em&gt;jackass 2.5&lt;/em&gt;. say what you like about yourselves writers - the producers get paid to make the studios money, and they&#039;re going to continue to do their jobs any which way they can, with or (in this case) without your scripts.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, and people call ME ignorant.</p>
<p>some of you did not seem to read my whole response, which doesn&#8217;t solely reference VFX artists.</p>
<p>ponder this: how important is the writer to a movie when there&#8217;s no cinematographer? the answer is &#8220;not very&#8221;. what is a script without a director or producer? it&#8217;s words on paper.</p>
<p>the writer is NOT the most important element of a film or television show. like every other participant, they are an integral element that helps make up the whole.</p>
<p>also, some of you seemed to miss the big news story this week about paramount taking outtakes from <em>jackass two</em> and recutting them as <em>jackass 2.5</em>. say what you like about yourselves writers &#8211; the producers get paid to make the studios money, and they&#8217;re going to continue to do their jobs any which way they can, with or (in this case) without your scripts.</p>
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		<title>By: Browne</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/12/14/updated-for-clarification-fuck-the-wga-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-52620</link>
		<dc:creator>Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Writer are more important than visual whatever the heck that is people. Special effects just add a little something extra. I can watch a good script acted out in my living room, good special effects...hey without a script who cares.

A good story just needs a person and paper. Books have been around a very long time and the basis of most movies are stories that began as books.

Tech people really need to wake up and realize that the internet and technology isn&#039;t anything without content. You get rid of the writers and entertainment will be dead.

Unless people are losing IQ points. Two year olds are pretty impressed with flashing lights, maybe tech people should go into infant entertainment.

Browne

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writer are more important than visual whatever the heck that is people. Special effects just add a little something extra. I can watch a good script acted out in my living room, good special effects&#8230;hey without a script who cares.</p>
<p>A good story just needs a person and paper. Books have been around a very long time and the basis of most movies are stories that began as books.</p>
<p>Tech people really need to wake up and realize that the internet and technology isn&#8217;t anything without content. You get rid of the writers and entertainment will be dead.</p>
<p>Unless people are losing IQ points. Two year olds are pretty impressed with flashing lights, maybe tech people should go into infant entertainment.</p>
<p>Browne</p>
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		<title>By: julia</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/12/14/updated-for-clarification-fuck-the-wga-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-52619</link>
		<dc:creator>julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cutter, you can make movies and tv without VFX.  You can&#039;t make them without scripts.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cutter, you can make movies and tv without VFX.  You can&#8217;t make them without scripts.</p>
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		<title>By: cutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>cutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>julia, in this day and age, the VFX artists can be just as important as the writers. don&#039;t think that this industry turns solely on the written word.

film and television are visual mediums, and without all of their separate elements coming together - the costuming and set decorating and sound and acting and music - all of your stories are merely words upon a page.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>julia, in this day and age, the VFX artists can be just as important as the writers. don&#8217;t think that this industry turns solely on the written word.</p>
<p>film and television are visual mediums, and without all of their separate elements coming together &#8211; the costuming and set decorating and sound and acting and music &#8211; all of your stories are merely words upon a page.</p>
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		<title>By: julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Jon, get over your holier-than-thou VFX self.  VFX enhances writing the same way music and acting and sound and set decorating and costuming and etc etc etc do.  And VFX artists (yes, there is great talent and artistry in VFX, I know this from direct experience) are always, ALWAYS, vendors.  VFX companies and artists are hired to do work on films and TV.  Your work, while it may be stunning, never comes first.  The written word does.  Writers are why you have a job in the VFX world at all.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Jon, get over your holier-than-thou VFX self.  VFX enhances writing the same way music and acting and sound and set decorating and costuming and etc etc etc do.  And VFX artists (yes, there is great talent and artistry in VFX, I know this from direct experience) are always, ALWAYS, vendors.  VFX companies and artists are hired to do work on films and TV.  Your work, while it may be stunning, never comes first.  The written word does.  Writers are why you have a job in the VFX world at all.</p>
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