Lizard people dude. Seriously.
Are they striking for more money or better programming?
money of course.
Supporting the writers here.
Really though? This poll will most likely be biased. Who is more likely to visit a blog – a writer. Who is more likely to support writers… oh, I don’t know, a writer?!
I mean, I support the strike, but seriously – there’s more to life, man. Can’t we blog about something ELSE ??
I’d like to see exactly what everybody’s asking for.
The Militant supports neither. The producers are greedy bastards and the writers keep churning cliche, un-original crap that’s not worth anything.
Reason agrees with the Militant Angeleno. Both sides of the argument are producing crap, and neither side is deserving of my money at this point.
I support them, they are the ones coming up with what that million dollar actor is saying. Yet get paid much less. all they are asking for is 4 more cents on DVD sales.
Hey, nobody said the other fools involved in the bullshit parade were paid equally, too. Actors are over paid, producers full of the hot air that is their egos, crew work a tonne of hours, get treated like shit and get paid very well – so everyone involved is making more than your average joe with a Masters Degree, yet the quality of work being produced by this huge, overblown and overpaid team (writers included) is still CRAP.
EVERYONE in the “industry” needs a reality check.
reason made me laugh. Me, a writer! I don’t profess to be one. I’m just some gabacho they recruited so I’d quit tormenting the legitimate writers here.
I beg to differ, many writers do some amazing things, you need to get past the networks to see it. Network TV has its blinders and guiderails up really high that unfortunately limits what is out there. Step off to the side and see what some of them do in the indy realm. Then retract your thoughts.
Actually, it’s not that “the writers keep churning cliche, un-original crap that’s not worth anything,” it’s that the studios are only green-lighting the cliche, un-original crap. Most writers probably have a few truly original scripts that will never see the light of day because they aren’t considered “bankable.”
I love how the actors get dragged into this, being called out on the rug for being “overpaid.” It’s an often misunderstood profession that is a lot more difficult that it looks. Not to mention how one actor’s performance can make or break a film at the box office.
Okay, everyone who doesn’t have a TV raise your hand.
Yeah, I thought so.
It’s worth something because people watch it. When I was a TV major, for a nanosecond, they told us we should aim for the “L.O.P.–the least objectionable program.” Now there’s a recipe for quality.
WTF? Blaming the writers for the dreck that gets produced? Clearly you people haven’t worked in the industry much.
There are plenty of great scripts out there that aren’t produced, but, like Jason said, that producers won’t use because they aren’t bankable.
Travis – I don’t have TV, and I am pretty sure Sean doesn’t either. I have A television, which is hooked up to play DVDs and VHS. Um, and PS2 games. But I do not get any channels, even network. I don’t disagree with your point, but you know. I am contrary.
The one consolation out of all of this, is that I will get to Wii a lot more!
FYI: Reason does not own a television simply because all that is produced on programming, whether network or basic cable, is still crap. Apparently, subscriber cable has better shows – due to bigger budgets? Oh, wait, Hollywood has HUGE budgets – yet it’s still crap. Shocking. And yes, although it is true that actors can make or break a film, it is also true that every single person involved in a production can make or break a film – yes, even the Best Boy Grip. Hey, he’s Union. He’s on break. Like any industry, there “is” “quality” “out there” that isn’t put into production, sure. What you (writers) should really be fighting for is better writing being put into production, not money. Don’t blame the market controlling the system – that’s a common misunderstanding of how the media system works. Truly, it’s the other way around: media controls public attitude controls media (circular, with media being ultimately in control of the circle). Create a better product, and you will be rewarded. You’re in the system, do something about it rather than protesting for a few cents.
Of all the items on the table for discussion here, QUALITY is not one of them.
Whether or not its your taste, the market decides what gets made next. Clearly people are buying/watching what you consider dreck.
But that’s beside the point.
This strike is strictly about fairness when it comes to sharing revenues generated. The tired old producers’ line that the entertainment business is a non-profit is obsolete and needs to end. Writers want to get paid for use of their work, plain and simple. They got fucked hard in past deals and are trying to correct that error for the future.
Can you blame them?
I support my fellow union members.
People don’t think writers are worth anything, also writers themselves the ones that are non-union don’t get that working for free in any capacity is bad, bad, bad. It’s bad for art. It’s bad for creative people. It’s bad because it sets a precedent that if you don’t put up money that your contributions aren’t valuable. I don’t watch TV. I don’t watch cable, but I support the writers in this fight.
< raises hand. No broadcast signal or cable hook up. DVD’s, xBox360 and Wii my friend.
The writers are shooting themselves in the foot. If the strike causes more reality shows reruns to air instead of new programming, people will find alternatives. More video games, reality shows, and amateur internet films and less work for them in the future. They are asking to be paid from internet content. No such profitable model exists right now. Actors aren’t getting residuals from the internet either. I would support the strike if it wasn’t for this request they are making.
The actors likely will strike next June for internet residuals.
Even if there are more reality shows the writers should still ask to be paid, they should have asked for this a long time ago. The longer they wait the worse it will be.
The internet is supported by live work, meaning print, TV, movies if those lines die the internet in regards to content will die. Half of people’s blog entries are in regards to what someone else wrote in a movie, TV show, magazine or a press release. Amature movies are ususally based on actual movies. These producers will learn the internet enhances what’s out there not replaces.
These jerks are making a profit, if they weren’t they would stop making movies, tv shows, etc because we know it’s not about art.
Find me a blog where the majority of the content doesn’t come from what paid writers already wrote and I’ll give you ten bucks.
Yes the entertainment sites their content is original, but their sites are depended on there being actress and actors in movies to write about.
Everybody should walk out and ask for their internet share.
People should also start busting people in regards to copyright infringement.
Your work is online, on a cellphone then that means it’s valuable and you should get a fair share this “there’s not profit,” nonsense, there is a profit.
The public is too lazy to pick up books and newspapers (we only have one real daily right?) and I don’t know about you, but blogs about sad person and their cat who lives in an apartment by the river doesn’t really do it for me in regards to entertainment.
By the way I’m not in the industry. I hate TV and movies. I only go to this site in regards to social sites. I read alot of newspapers, books so my comments have to do strictly with me supporting the writers in regards to I think they are getting the screwgy. I hope the WGA remember to support the other unions and stop living in a bubble.
Writers aren’t like the other people in the industry, people always think they can get rid of the writer.
“Create a better product, and you will be rewarded. You’re in the system, do something about it rather than protesting for a few cents.”
In theory that should work, but you can’t solve the problem by becoming the problem. It’s like the whole Serpico dilemma. You want to be a good cop, but being a good cop might include dying and then people are still going to what they do.
The reason I don’t work in TV or I should say rather have purposely avoided working in TV or movies is because I believe the system is broken. There is nothing you can do from the inside.
What needs to be done is something else new needs to be created outside the system. That new things goal can’t be getting into the system, which is why new systems always fail, because they are simply backdoors to old ways.
I know why writers write what they write on TV, because they have to. They write cliches and easy things, because that is what the producers want. Once they realize they are never going to get anything pass that has any value heck they are making money writing and who is going to let that go.
We are only human.
You just have to avoid that vortex if you want to do groundbreaking things.
The writers ain’t, and the producers–shit.
I know and have known loads of writers and other artists here as well as New York, who fail to sell themselves (which is, I admit, a part of the art; but when the art is eclipsed by the business–after all, the last music label owned by an artist still has it’s little bunch of bungalows on LaBrea, and while most everyone has seen in any given thrift store that ubiquitous LP of “Peaches and Cream,” no one notices remembers the significance of said huts) and yet what they have to offer would be ruined if they wasted time doing the hard sales rather than the real work of seeing that the art be manifest. Some of them continue to create great work.
In the meantime, we are assaulted by shit, and lied to by schmucks who kvetch about pirating of DVDs being the downfall of the industry (surely ya’ll recall Jack Valenti hyper-bloviated about how “home-taping is killing the music industry,” even when Metallica was getting popular from it as a direct result (only to use their riches to do the Valenti dance on Napster some 20 years later)) when the reality is as the Dead Kennedys made so clear back in 1984 when that semi-dwarf Jello screamed about “lousy records.” And it is not just the lousy, over-priced fare, but the out-sourcing of those who make the movies physically manifest. Hollywood is its own problem, and anyone who thinks they are gonna change the machine is foolish.
One need not read The Art of War nor The prince to understand the zen of everything: assimilation or assassination. That which usta cause a ruckus no longer does. A good example is pre-biblical egyptian music. Not familiar with it? It was assassinated; little knowledge of it exists, let alone examples. On the other hand, Stravinsky’s Rite of Spring nearly spurred riots; were the crotchety olde bastards of classical music (which was not olde at the time) to have had their way, few would know of what Igor composed. These days, however, his music is revered along with much other modern music.
But I have blathered on enough. One need but watch a trailer on teevee to understand not only the formulaic crap but the idiot audience desired. It is all about making money by and and all means possible, by people who are not so much artless as they are heartless–save for the arts they make available only for themselves. Rather than cast oneself into such a pit, writers should expend their energy in ways that will allow their writing to not be ass-raped by the producers.
Whether or not they’re overpaid has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Whether you like it or not, the industry is not going to stop making assloads of money. The question is, what is the most equitable way of dividing that money up? (And don’t say they should donate more money to schools or something, because that will never happen. Give a real world answer.) I vote for the writers to get a bigger piece of the pie. Actually, I’m more interested in seeing the producers get a smaller piece of the pie.
As for actors being overpaid: yeah, maybe 0.1% of them. How many working actors do you know, and how many of them are rolling in money?
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