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	<title>Comments on: The Coffee House Quandry: Claiming a Table</title>
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	<description>Lizard people dude. Seriously.</description>
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		<title>By: kenarch</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/02/05/the-coffee-house-quandry-claiming-a-table/comment-page-1/#comment-28833</link>
		<dc:creator>kenarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually I go with B - NEVER with A - but then again, I&#039;m just not that stressed out!!!

I saw a guy come into a Sbux in downtown (the one at 9th and Santee) and set his crap down on the last remaining table and get in line behind, oh, about 8 other people... including 3 dudes who looked like they were extras in American Me... those guys got their coffees, took a look around, remembered that nerdy guy who was thinking he would hold the only remaining table until he completed marking time in line... and they went over and (actually quite gently) placed his stuff on the floor and took the seats at that table. Darn if that dweeby guy didn&#039;t just get his drink, pick up his shit and VERY quietly make his exit...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually I go with B &#8211; NEVER with A &#8211; but then again, I&#8217;m just not that stressed out!!!</p>
<p>I saw a guy come into a Sbux in downtown (the one at 9th and Santee) and set his crap down on the last remaining table and get in line behind, oh, about 8 other people&#8230; including 3 dudes who looked like they were extras in American Me&#8230; those guys got their coffees, took a look around, remembered that nerdy guy who was thinking he would hold the only remaining table until he completed marking time in line&#8230; and they went over and (actually quite gently) placed his stuff on the floor and took the seats at that table. Darn if that dweeby guy didn&#8217;t just get his drink, pick up his shit and VERY quietly make his exit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob B</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/02/05/the-coffee-house-quandry-claiming-a-table/comment-page-1/#comment-28832</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 04:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I don&#039;t see how it&#039;s at the expense of others.  It&#039;s still first-come, first-served.

The good news, though, is that Starbucks chairs are a totally renewable resource! :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I don&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s at the expense of others.  It&#8217;s still first-come, first-served.</p>
<p>The good news, though, is that Starbucks chairs are a totally renewable resource! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://blogging.la/2007/02/05/the-coffee-house-quandry-claiming-a-table/comment-page-1/#comment-28831</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually C, occasionally B (if I&#039;m with someone or have a lot of stuff with me and have no free hands to grab my coffee with as well).  Most places I do go to aren&#039;t so crowded that I have to consider A.  Even then, sometimes it&#039;s worth it to wait it out a bit to see if a better spot opens up by the time your order is called.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually C, occasionally B (if I&#8217;m with someone or have a lot of stuff with me and have no free hands to grab my coffee with as well).  Most places I do go to aren&#8217;t so crowded that I have to consider A.  Even then, sometimes it&#8217;s worth it to wait it out a bit to see if a better spot opens up by the time your order is called.</p>
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		<title>By: 5000!</title>
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		<dc:creator>5000!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In this case, if everyone grabbed their table first, then... tables would be allocated on a first-come/first-served basis. What&#039;s wrong with that?&lt;/i&gt;

All things being equal, nothing. But in the real world not all customers are equally capable of saving seats.

I think you&#039;re assuming the wrong question for your morality test anyway. It&#039;s not just &quot;What if everyone in the world saved seats in advance,&quot; it&#039;s &quot;What if, when faced with dwindling supplies of a highly valued resource, everybody worked to their own advantage at the expense of others?&quot; Obviously that&#039;s a much different answer.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In this case, if everyone grabbed their table first, then&#8230; tables would be allocated on a first-come/first-served basis. What&#8217;s wrong with that?</i></p>
<p>All things being equal, nothing. But in the real world not all customers are equally capable of saving seats.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re assuming the wrong question for your morality test anyway. It&#8217;s not just &#8220;What if everyone in the world saved seats in advance,&#8221; it&#8217;s &#8220;What if, when faced with dwindling supplies of a highly valued resource, everybody worked to their own advantage at the expense of others?&#8221; Obviously that&#8217;s a much different answer.</p>
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		<title>By: David Markland</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Markland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, I keep trying to find a strong argument against your mentioned ethics test... and I simply can&#039;t find one. Its a decent point.

However, as mentioned, I think the reason most people don&#039;t risk just putting down their stuff is because they don&#039;t want it to be stolen. Which is why I don&#039;t think you can compare it to taking a table at a restaurant before your whole group shows up (which many restaurants don&#039;t allow, and can be rude).

I don&#039;t think of this in question of ethical or moral terms, just plain courtesy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, I keep trying to find a strong argument against your mentioned ethics test&#8230; and I simply can&#8217;t find one. Its a decent point.</p>
<p>However, as mentioned, I think the reason most people don&#8217;t risk just putting down their stuff is because they don&#8217;t want it to be stolen. Which is why I don&#8217;t think you can compare it to taking a table at a restaurant before your whole group shows up (which many restaurants don&#8217;t allow, and can be rude).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think of this in question of ethical or moral terms, just plain courtesy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think A is out of line.  Don&#039;t we all grab a table first in a crowded counter-service restaurant if it looks like there will be trouble?  Particularly if there are 2 people along, one always goes to grab a table while the other orders.  Does that make them assholes?


Is it really any different to exploit the fact that you brought a jacket than it is to exploit the fact that you brought a friend?

One of the basic morality tests is to ask &quot;What if everyone did what I&#039;m proposing?&quot;  This rule easily rules out something like stealing cable, because if everyone did it, there&#039;d be no money to produce cable in the first place.  In this case, if everyone grabbed their table first, then...  tables would be allocated on a first-come/first-served basis.  What&#039;s wrong with that?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think A is out of line.  Don&#8217;t we all grab a table first in a crowded counter-service restaurant if it looks like there will be trouble?  Particularly if there are 2 people along, one always goes to grab a table while the other orders.  Does that make them assholes?</p>
<p>Is it really any different to exploit the fact that you brought a jacket than it is to exploit the fact that you brought a friend?</p>
<p>One of the basic morality tests is to ask &#8220;What if everyone did what I&#8217;m proposing?&#8221;  This rule easily rules out something like stealing cable, because if everyone did it, there&#8217;d be no money to produce cable in the first place.  In this case, if everyone grabbed their table first, then&#8230;  tables would be allocated on a first-come/first-served basis.  What&#8217;s wrong with that?</p>
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		<title>By: David Markland</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Markland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only time I go with A is if there&#039;s little to no line, and it doesn&#039;t look like anyone in line is about to sit down.

Its one thing to steal a seat someone might take, but I&#039;ll be damned if someone else is going to walk in behind me and snag a seat.

But when in doubt, I&#039;ll avoid being an asshole... usually. I must confess to the occasional desperation.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time I go with A is if there&#8217;s little to no line, and it doesn&#8217;t look like anyone in line is about to sit down.</p>
<p>Its one thing to steal a seat someone might take, but I&#8217;ll be damned if someone else is going to walk in behind me and snag a seat.</p>
<p>But when in doubt, I&#8217;ll avoid being an asshole&#8230; usually. I must confess to the occasional desperation.</p>
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		<title>By: STEVEK</title>
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		<dc:creator>STEVEK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;A&quot; is pretty rude. I can sympathize with the &quot;everyone else does it so I have to too&quot; argument, and I&#039;ve been tempted by that line of reasoning, but I don&#039;t think I could really enjoy my coffee or concentrate on my writing if I felt like I was being a jerk.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;A&#8221; is pretty rude. I can sympathize with the &#8220;everyone else does it so I have to too&#8221; argument, and I&#8217;ve been tempted by that line of reasoning, but I don&#8217;t think I could really enjoy my coffee or concentrate on my writing if I felt like I was being a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polite or rude, you coffeehousers are a unique hearty and focused bunch that can put up with noise and intrusions I can&#039;t. Last time I attempted to work in one, I had a person yapping away on a cellphone try to wedge in between me and the empty table she wanted and I first got a load of backpack upside the head and then she racked her rear end alongside me. I mean, if my shoulder was an iceberg her ass was the fucking Titanic if you know what I mean. Close encounters like that just aren&#039;t worth going to jail over so if I need to get out of the house with my lapper I opt for the quiet storm of the Central Library.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polite or rude, you coffeehousers are a unique hearty and focused bunch that can put up with noise and intrusions I can&#8217;t. Last time I attempted to work in one, I had a person yapping away on a cellphone try to wedge in between me and the empty table she wanted and I first got a load of backpack upside the head and then she racked her rear end alongside me. I mean, if my shoulder was an iceberg her ass was the fucking Titanic if you know what I mean. Close encounters like that just aren&#8217;t worth going to jail over so if I need to get out of the house with my lapper I opt for the quiet storm of the Central Library.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Fuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Fuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always pull an A. It&#039;s a jungle out there, and you&#039;ve gotta make an effort to claim your spot.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always pull an A. It&#8217;s a jungle out there, and you&#8217;ve gotta make an effort to claim your spot.</p>
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