Now I Wish I’d Voted for Angelides

I voted for the Green Party, not for the Governator yesterday, because I didn’t agree with Arnold OR Angelides, and I like supporting third parties. I can’t believe the US STILL has a two-party system. That’s how the Governator got elected, because there was just no real alternative. And that’s why he was able to say, last night, in reference to his re-election, “you know I love doing sequels.” Groan.

The L.A. Times also reports this morning that both Propositions 85 and 87 were struck down. I’m thrilled about the former, just not so much the latter. I honestly believe that the oil industry propaganda is to blame here. If you weren’t up on 87 before, here’s the summary. I hate feeling like I’ve smoked a half-pack of cigarettes when I bike to work during rush hour, so I was all for 87. Also, the possible resulting higher prices at the pump might have encouraged more people to take alternative transportation. In Los Angeles, especially, cleaner burning energy sources have been important since the smog first became apparent in 1943.

But the election’s over now, and we all voted as we saw fit. The Transportation Package also passed, meaning billions of dollars of public construction will start soon. The “1’s” promised to help congestion and traffic – does anyone think that we’ll actually see effects from that here in L.A.?

12 thoughts on “Now I Wish I’d Voted for Angelides”

  1. In California, a vote for any other party than the Democrats is the same as a vote for the Republicans.

  2. America will always have a two-party system until we change our electoral procedures. There are few concrete laws in political science, but one of them is that single representative plurality elections result in a two party system. If you require a strict majority and have run-offs (whether through a second election, like in Louisiana, or through instant runoff voting, like in Australia), then you are more likely to get multiple parties. If you have multiple representative seats for a single area, like in England or Canada, your are more likely to get multiple parties. If you have an election system like in the U.S., you WILL have a two party system.

    And as Brian noted, by voting Green on the governor lilne, you helped elect Arnold. I didn’t care that much for Angelides either, but I didn’t vote Green on that line (I did for Senator, largely because I knew that there was little danger of whatsisname getting past Feinstein and I’m pissed about her vote on the flag burning amendment).

    And holy shit, it looks like the Dems took the House AND the Senate.

  3. These are definitely interesting times, with the Democrats taking control of Congress and the Republicans taking control of much of California. Things are rather topsy-turvy.

    But Nancy Pelosi becoming the very first female Speaker of the House is interesting too. Hopefully she’ll be the first of many.

    As for 87 though, I knew it would be shot down. As a fellow bicyclist and air-breather in general I really hoped against hope that somehow it’d go through but I really knew that with all the money big oil put into shooting it down that it wouldn’t stand a chance.

    I was a little more concerned about 85 passing, but I’m glad to see it was shot down (again).

  4. Yeah, I know that voting for a non-Democrat party is basically abstaining – but we all knew Arnold was going to win. Even hardcore Democrats couldn’t really get behind Angelides. It was going to be throwing a vote away regardless, so at least I went down protesting the political structure. If I think there is a hope in hell for a Democrat candidate, I vote for them, but even though I see Don’s point regarding the two-party structure, I still hope that someday, third parties will receive enough support to bring the two dominating parties away from the center and back towards recapturing those third-party ideologies. And yes, I know it’s that kind of thinking that cost Gore the election six years ago – but those people were stupid to vote Nader in states that were a close call.

  5. I believe that you should vote for the person you believe will do the best job. It can’t be a game of “a vote for x is really a vote for y.” If we want more than a two party system, we have to keep supporting third and fourth and fifth parties. It could take a while, but I believe that it will make a difference.

  6. Aside from retaining the Governor’s office, how, exactly, did the Republicans “take control of much of California.” Poizner won the all-important office of, er, Insurance Commissioner, but really, we’re still safely Blue.

  7. I voted for 87, but I believe my husband voted against it, thinking that its passage would skyrocket our gas prices again. My thinking was, the oil companies are going to keep sticking it to us anyhow, might as well have some of that money go toward research for ethanol or other alternatives. But others told me that the anti-87 line that “no accountability required” really resounded with voters too.

  8. Huh, that’s a very good question. Okay, in the face of apparently speaking out of my ass I retract that point.

    Very odd since last night as I drove home from class I could’ve sworn NPR was telling me about the Republicans taking a sizeable number of positions in our state. Apparently, I was on crack.

  9. of all the kings horses and all the kings men…..HE’S BACK AGAIN IN THE OFFICE…..!esta la vista baby……

  10. First of all voting for Nader DID NOT cost Gore the presidency. Gore cost Gore the presidency. He couldn’t even win his own state in that election. Six years later and that false argument lives on. Just look at the official count from some of the key states, and one can see those that voted Green, could not have compensated for the for the Democrats that voted for Bush.

    That said, I’m glad to see the Dems back in control of Congress. And, better yet, if Bush and Dick should suddenly die, that would make Pelosi President!

    Every time there is a Green on the ballot, I feel I can vote my conscience, and embrace my hopes rather than voting my fears, and voting the “Lesser-of-evils.”

    On the propositions, The bonds pass and the taxes didn’t. We seem to want our government to live on credit rather than income available. Much like our own personal credit card-lifestyles. I guess the majority of people see taxes as evil, and bonds as good. Despite the interest payments costing us way more in the long run.

  11. No James, you weren’t on crack – NPR just either forgot their superanalyst glasses that night or while they were correctly reporting early returns that favored Reeps, they have also bothered to explain that because of the way returns come in, the Reeps usually lead in the early hours.

    Two things cause this pm to am/Reep to Dem shift. First, once the clock strikes 8pm, eager counters rip into the stack of absentees waiting in offices. First numbers are absentee voters. Despite the rise in requested absentees, for at least the next few cycles, absentee votes will be cast, for the most part, by older, conservative voters.

    Second, geography. The Secretary of State’s office is in Sac. Blue-vote-heavy (and vote-heavy period) counties like LA, OC, and SD are in SoCal. There’s also the heavy part – there are crap loads of precincts, polling places, and votes to tabulate. Those counties come in later.

    I also went to sleep last night thinking we’d lost at least one other office to the Reeps – but was delighted to awaken to a world where Debra Bowen is the Secretary-elect of State and all continues to be mostly right (that’d be mostly left) with Cali.

  12. Ah, okay, excellent information. Thanks CD.

    Guess this is why we’re supposed to always take early information, returns, and projections with a big grain of salt. Unfortunately, I just hadn’t realized the news being broadcast was based more in speculation, however educated, rather than final fact.

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